Ohio State Motor Carrier
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n8myc
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They are known as "creeper cops" D.O.T.. They wear mechanics coveralls and inspect commercial vehicles.
Truck Nazi! ! !
I have often wondered why their lights are all red as well. I suppose it is just to distinguish them from the highway patrol or other police officers, but I'm not sure who is supposed to do the distinguishing. Every time I see one all of the other drivers around me slam their brakes on because they think the motor carrier car is a regular highway patrol car.
I see them all the time on US23 in northern Delaware and southern Marion counties. They hit those areas *hard*. What's weird is that the trucks still speed through there. The other odd thing is that those units are usually operating on the post 25 talkgroup. Not sure why this is.
I see them all the time on US23 in northern Delaware and southern Marion counties. They hit those areas *hard*. What's weird is that the trucks still speed through there. The other odd thing is that those units are usually operating on the post 25 talkgroup. Not sure why this is.
mlinthicum
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With all the scales closing in the state, their going to be hitting everywhere hard. If your iin the Dayton area, up north toward the 70/75 interchange, they love to pull trucks into the Sam's/WalMart parking lot on Miller Lane. Most of the time, they do a quick inspection, and then they pull out the portable scales!
So they can only stop them if they appear to be overweight or have some other violation?k9gunner said:
I assume this means they need no PC to stop them, can stop any CMV for any reason they want or no reason at all.
mlinthicum
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16b said:
WOW! When I was driving, I was always overweight. My doctor has told me for years I should shed a few pounds. Guess I understand why now!
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The Motor Carrier Enforcement Division of the Dept. of Public Safety operates on the main OSP Talkgroup for whatever county they are working in at the time.
For those of you who listen to OSP on MARCS, their radio numbers are the 3200 series. Over here in Dayton, the main ones that work this area are: 3247, 3255, 3264, but there are six or seven others. They mainly stick to the OSP District they are in, and are frequently heard asking to be switched over to another post's CAD, as they change counties.
Motor Carrier Enforcement officers do not require any probable cause whatsoever to effect a traffic stop on a commercial motor vehicle. They focus on more than overweight vehicles, but do stop Dump Trucks and Steel Haulers quite frequently, as they are often over gross and over axle weights. They also do Level I, II, and III inspections, which involve driver only, vehicle only or driver and vehicle inspections. Licenses, logbooks, paperwork and condition of vehicle are the main focus of their stops.
One member referred to Miller Lane as a frequent stop area for DOT. The member is correct, however OSP 474, who is a trooper is the main user of the lot. He works District 5 and does weight checks exclusively. He has the scale van with him when he works. 474 is very active and can be heard on 12, 55, 57, 57/68, and 80's talkgroups.
For those that dont do MARCS yet, you can still hear the DOT when they are around, as they still use Mobile Extenders on the old UHF Frequencies of the OSP.
The Motor Carrier Enforcement Division of the Dept. of Public Safety operates on the main OSP Talkgroup for whatever county they are working in at the time.
For those of you who listen to OSP on MARCS, their radio numbers are the 3200 series. Over here in Dayton, the main ones that work this area are: 3247, 3255, 3264, but there are six or seven others. They mainly stick to the OSP District they are in, and are frequently heard asking to be switched over to another post's CAD, as they change counties.
Motor Carrier Enforcement officers do not require any probable cause whatsoever to effect a traffic stop on a commercial motor vehicle. They focus on more than overweight vehicles, but do stop Dump Trucks and Steel Haulers quite frequently, as they are often over gross and over axle weights. They also do Level I, II, and III inspections, which involve driver only, vehicle only or driver and vehicle inspections. Licenses, logbooks, paperwork and condition of vehicle are the main focus of their stops.
One member referred to Miller Lane as a frequent stop area for DOT. The member is correct, however OSP 474, who is a trooper is the main user of the lot. He works District 5 and does weight checks exclusively. He has the scale van with him when he works. 474 is very active and can be heard on 12, 55, 57, 57/68, and 80's talkgroups.
For those that dont do MARCS yet, you can still hear the DOT when they are around, as they still use Mobile Extenders on the old UHF Frequencies of the OSP.
Thanks for the info, BigJimbo!
I do not have MARCS in the car so I mainly hear them on 465.525 during my travels on 23.
I hear this guy a lot at home on the Post 25 talkgroup:
(Pronounced slowly and methodically)
"Columbus, thirty-two sixty-three Columbus"
I do not have MARCS in the car so I mainly hear them on 465.525 during my travels on 23.
I hear this guy a lot at home on the Post 25 talkgroup:
(Pronounced slowly and methodically)
"Columbus, thirty-two sixty-three Columbus"
Motor Carrier Enforcement
Funny 16B- I know exactly what you mean. The DOT guys over here do some of the same stuff. It's like they were trained to talk like they are hailing someone on Intercity, because that's the only place I've ever heard the repitition.
3264 over here is an old guy that sounds like a smurf and always takes his voice from low to high and back down to low every time he radios a traffic stop in. The other thing that gets me is how they always say "go ahead" at the end of every transmission. Even when there isnt an expected response......"go ahead"
I find it somewhat interesting and puzzling at the same time......They have this new 300 million dollar radio and data network, but are still communicating to each other like they are on low band. Every post has it's own talk group (actually two, they also have a Tac channel) but they keep saying 3264 to 57, or 474 to Piqua. I know they all shared the frequency back in the day....but they are in the BIG TIMES now with the new system.
Ok, I will get off my Soap Box now......I do feel better.
Dont get me started on Fire and EMS traffic though........That would take about 4 posts to cover!!
Funny 16B- I know exactly what you mean. The DOT guys over here do some of the same stuff. It's like they were trained to talk like they are hailing someone on Intercity, because that's the only place I've ever heard the repitition.
3264 over here is an old guy that sounds like a smurf and always takes his voice from low to high and back down to low every time he radios a traffic stop in. The other thing that gets me is how they always say "go ahead" at the end of every transmission. Even when there isnt an expected response......"go ahead"
I find it somewhat interesting and puzzling at the same time......They have this new 300 million dollar radio and data network, but are still communicating to each other like they are on low band. Every post has it's own talk group (actually two, they also have a Tac channel) but they keep saying 3264 to 57, or 474 to Piqua. I know they all shared the frequency back in the day....but they are in the BIG TIMES now with the new system.
Ok, I will get off my Soap Box now......I do feel better.
Dont get me started on Fire and EMS traffic though........That would take about 4 posts to cover!!
BigJimbo said:
I don't get it... What should they say? Can you please explain that? Around here, all troopers and 3200's also use that lingo; what I think is silly is that the DHQ uses the city name but the other posts use the number.... I don't understand the reason for the inconsistency.
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Back in the day....all of District 5 was on 44.74/44.86 low band. So it made sense to call in using the posts number/name, because several posts could hear you. Each post has it's own talkgroup and it is a MONITORED channel by a dispatcher. How many other departments over in your neck of the woods go through all that? All they should have to say is their number and activity. For instance, "3264 is Signal 3." The dispatcher can reply. What is the added benefit now to having him say "3264 Piqua, Signal 3?" Only those on Piqua's Talkgroup are going to be hearing it anyway.
As far as the "Piqua, 3264, Piqua." That is as outdated as the lowband trays they just got done jerking out of the trunks of their cruisers. When hailing another unit or agency on an UNMONITORED channel, such as Police Intercity 155.37, or Ohio LEERN 154.935, dispatchers, officers do the repetitive thing....... But as most here know.... Intercity and LEERN channels are in dispatch consoles, but they dont carry the same priority as the primary talkgroup or frequency for departments. Not all dispatchers keep an ear to those secondary channels like they should. (the better dispatchers do. I always did)
Back in the day....all of District 5 was on 44.74/44.86 low band. So it made sense to call in using the posts number/name, because several posts could hear you. Each post has it's own talkgroup and it is a MONITORED channel by a dispatcher. How many other departments over in your neck of the woods go through all that? All they should have to say is their number and activity. For instance, "3264 is Signal 3." The dispatcher can reply. What is the added benefit now to having him say "3264 Piqua, Signal 3?" Only those on Piqua's Talkgroup are going to be hearing it anyway.
As far as the "Piqua, 3264, Piqua." That is as outdated as the lowband trays they just got done jerking out of the trunks of their cruisers. When hailing another unit or agency on an UNMONITORED channel, such as Police Intercity 155.37, or Ohio LEERN 154.935, dispatchers, officers do the repetitive thing....... But as most here know.... Intercity and LEERN channels are in dispatch consoles, but they dont carry the same priority as the primary talkgroup or frequency for departments. Not all dispatchers keep an ear to those secondary channels like they should. (the better dispatchers do. I always did)
Big jimbo, I disagree with not refering to whom you are calling... There are no agencies around here who make it standard protocal not to refer to whom a unit is radioing... Even the self dispatched small time police departments with one officer (only two people on the entire frequency) still call in with the applicable term (dispatch, HQ, town name, etc).
As for OSP or any other trunked agency with their own TG, I still think there is no problem in making it clear who you are calling unless of course you have already been engaged in some recent traffic with that dispatcher in which case it gets redundant and annoying.....
Now to just "call it in".....
Even though this is off topic, it made me think..... One of the most annoying things a cop can do is to come on the radio out of nowhere and give their traffic without awiting a response from their dispatcher; for example, " unit xx... gimme a DS on xxx xx xxxx" or worse yet start rattling off a 17 digit VIN without so much as a "prepare to copy"... I don't think that these cops realize that dispatchers do have to step away from the console to perform other duties as well as take phone calls from hard to deal with people that just keep on rambling and and then the cop gets an attitude because they are asked to repeat..... Now I do believe that it is a good idea to give a synopsis before getting a response such as "xxx to 57 signal 3" and the only entity I have ever heard do this is OSP.
BTW, I really enjoy reading your posts.... Very well written
As for OSP or any other trunked agency with their own TG, I still think there is no problem in making it clear who you are calling unless of course you have already been engaged in some recent traffic with that dispatcher in which case it gets redundant and annoying.....
Now to just "call it in".....
Even though this is off topic, it made me think..... One of the most annoying things a cop can do is to come on the radio out of nowhere and give their traffic without awiting a response from their dispatcher; for example, " unit xx... gimme a DS on xxx xx xxxx" or worse yet start rattling off a 17 digit VIN without so much as a "prepare to copy"... I don't think that these cops realize that dispatchers do have to step away from the console to perform other duties as well as take phone calls from hard to deal with people that just keep on rambling and and then the cop gets an attitude because they are asked to repeat..... Now I do believe that it is a good idea to give a synopsis before getting a response such as "xxx to 57 signal 3" and the only entity I have ever heard do this is OSP.
BTW, I really enjoy reading your posts.... Very well written
Most agencies in my neck of the woods do not refer to whom they are calling. For instance, if listening to Dayton PD, or Montgomery County Sheriff, when the dispatcher calls a unit, they start by saying the units number and they wait for a response. They dont say "Dispatch to Car 19," or "Montgomery County to Car 19." Just plainly "19." If the unit doesnt answer, they might say dispatch or Montgomery County, to gain greater attention, or simply drop an alert tone. I guess that's more of a regional thing, sounds like they do it differently where you are. That makes us both right, or both wrong.
My thing was these units going through all that when a dispatcher has them in their ear, or on the speaker right next to them.
As far as "calling it in" we are on the same page. Give your number and say what youre doing, so the dispatcher can prepare the computer, or legal pad they are writing on. I COMPLETELY agree that they shouldnt just transmit and hope the dispatcher gets it. Nothing got me more fired up back in the day than when some road crew would do EXACTLY what you referred to. When they did that, they usually got the reply, "xx you're going to have to repeat, my fingers aren't as fast as your mouth." They loved me then!
Funny thing is, as much as the dispatchers I used to work with complained about road crews not calling things in right, when I finally made it to the road, I called everything in just the way they wanted it, so they could pull up the right screen and enter it just as I said it, and every time I got.........................Please repeat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go figure!
Thanks for the compliment regarding my posts.
My thing was these units going through all that when a dispatcher has them in their ear, or on the speaker right next to them.
As far as "calling it in" we are on the same page. Give your number and say what youre doing, so the dispatcher can prepare the computer, or legal pad they are writing on. I COMPLETELY agree that they shouldnt just transmit and hope the dispatcher gets it. Nothing got me more fired up back in the day than when some road crew would do EXACTLY what you referred to. When they did that, they usually got the reply, "xx you're going to have to repeat, my fingers aren't as fast as your mouth." They loved me then!
Funny thing is, as much as the dispatchers I used to work with complained about road crews not calling things in right, when I finally made it to the road, I called everything in just the way they wanted it, so they could pull up the right screen and enter it just as I said it, and every time I got.........................Please repeat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go figure!
Thanks for the compliment regarding my posts.
Part of the answer....
In SE Ohio, many shifts, the troopers at say Post 27 (Gallia-Meigs) may not have a dispatcher on duty. So, they may be operating with the Post 5 (Athens) dispatcher. When they do that, we (here in Gallia County) can then hear ALL of the traffic that is occuring on the Athens TG's....Sometimes they switch these guys here to Lawrence County (Ironton post - 44) to operate.
I think they use the post numbers to alleviate confusion....
Several times a week, the Athens post must not have a dispatcher and the local post takes all their traffic.
Not sure if that helps as to why they "keep using" the town/post numbre up your way, but here, they do it to know WHO they are talking to at any given time!!!!
Along the lines of the motor carriers....Almost every time they operate here in Gallia County, they have two or three local post units run everywhere they go with them.....
Steve/KB8FAR
BigJimbo said:
In SE Ohio, many shifts, the troopers at say Post 27 (Gallia-Meigs) may not have a dispatcher on duty. So, they may be operating with the Post 5 (Athens) dispatcher. When they do that, we (here in Gallia County) can then hear ALL of the traffic that is occuring on the Athens TG's....Sometimes they switch these guys here to Lawrence County (Ironton post - 44) to operate.
I think they use the post numbers to alleviate confusion....
Several times a week, the Athens post must not have a dispatcher and the local post takes all their traffic.
Not sure if that helps as to why they "keep using" the town/post numbre up your way, but here, they do it to know WHO they are talking to at any given time!!!!
Along the lines of the motor carriers....Almost every time they operate here in Gallia County, they have two or three local post units run everywhere they go with them.....
Steve/KB8FAR
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Here in Maryland, the Troopers will call the Barracks (Post to those in and from Ohio) by the name the city its in.
Here in Washington County the dispatcher will say "O-32 Hagerstown" and reverse for the unit.
Where I work we do the same...
The City of Hagerstown does the same thing. (Good thing they are not on the same freqs as MSP).
I like either way, as long as it is consistant.
When our units make a stop, we prefer to hear "Central 33 Traffic".....
We dispatch for 9 different agencies, on 7 different frequencies, so it helps if we step away for a water or something.
When I worked for DOD, we had a chief who was from the west coast, and he wanted ALL communications to be unit number:
Dispatcher: "24"
Unit: "24"
Dispatch: "Building 500, 10-90"
Unit: "10-4"
You get the idea.
Anyway, just my one cents worth........
Here in Washington County the dispatcher will say "O-32 Hagerstown" and reverse for the unit.
Where I work we do the same...
The City of Hagerstown does the same thing. (Good thing they are not on the same freqs as MSP).
I like either way, as long as it is consistant.
When our units make a stop, we prefer to hear "Central 33 Traffic".....
We dispatch for 9 different agencies, on 7 different frequencies, so it helps if we step away for a water or something.
When I worked for DOD, we had a chief who was from the west coast, and he wanted ALL communications to be unit number:
Dispatcher: "24"
Unit: "24"
Dispatch: "Building 500, 10-90"
Unit: "10-4"
You get the idea.
Anyway, just my one cents worth........
bigbluemsp
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Here in Michigan the Motor Carriers can enforce laws ONLY over Commerical Motor Vehicles. Then can enforce speed as well but only over those vehicles. They are not state certified as Police officers, but are PEACE OFFICERS. Meaning they are basically civilians when they are not working and don't get off duty carry privliges unless they take the CCW courses and pay for it.
As for communications. They work off the Posts talkgroups here and work out of the posts.
MSP has regional Dispatch Centers in all of their districts 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8 which are called Stations. All stations are 2 digit and are 10's.
So instead of Station 1 its called Station 10, 20, 30, and so on. At each Station they are split into District sections.
The District I live in is 2 which is Station 20.
District 2 South dispatches Posts 28, 26, 25
District 2 West dispatches Post 29
District 2 North dispatches Post 21
District 2 East dispatches Posts 24 & 27 but at 2300 is patched into the D2N 21 Post TG and vice versa.
All troopers and MCO's call out like this..
Station 20 from 25 Baker using their post number being the first set of 2 numbers and the 2nd set is either the last 2 of their car number or their phoenetic beat sector assignment like Adam, Baker, Charles, David, Frank, General, Paul, Sam, William, Zebra. Their K9's call in by using K9 then their post numbers.
All Motor Carriers units end in 90-99 so 2495 is a MC while 2417 is a Trooper.
For the most part their cars are identical except for the door shield and all MCO's have LED Mirror beams and top beacon while Troop cars only have led mirror beams on slick tops, tahoes and semi marked units.
I see a lot of Ohio Motor Carriers along I-75, and actually it's about 1:1 for them and Ohio Troopers from my numerous trips through the state.
The only thing I'd change is I liked the Grey cars much better then the white ones. I know the white is more visable but eh to me the Grey was sharper looking and you knew it was a Ohio Trooper.
As for communications. They work off the Posts talkgroups here and work out of the posts.
MSP has regional Dispatch Centers in all of their districts 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8 which are called Stations. All stations are 2 digit and are 10's.
So instead of Station 1 its called Station 10, 20, 30, and so on. At each Station they are split into District sections.
The District I live in is 2 which is Station 20.
District 2 South dispatches Posts 28, 26, 25
District 2 West dispatches Post 29
District 2 North dispatches Post 21
District 2 East dispatches Posts 24 & 27 but at 2300 is patched into the D2N 21 Post TG and vice versa.
All troopers and MCO's call out like this..
Station 20 from 25 Baker using their post number being the first set of 2 numbers and the 2nd set is either the last 2 of their car number or their phoenetic beat sector assignment like Adam, Baker, Charles, David, Frank, General, Paul, Sam, William, Zebra. Their K9's call in by using K9 then their post numbers.
All Motor Carriers units end in 90-99 so 2495 is a MC while 2417 is a Trooper.
For the most part their cars are identical except for the door shield and all MCO's have LED Mirror beams and top beacon while Troop cars only have led mirror beams on slick tops, tahoes and semi marked units.
I see a lot of Ohio Motor Carriers along I-75, and actually it's about 1:1 for them and Ohio Troopers from my numerous trips through the state.
The only thing I'd change is I liked the Grey cars much better then the white ones. I know the white is more visable but eh to me the Grey was sharper looking and you knew it was a Ohio Trooper.
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