Ontario Parks P25

[VA3ADP]

I didn't want to revive the old thread about the Ontario Parks system, Since it 2+ years old. Looks like there have been some submissions in the last 24hrs.

I noticed Bronte Creek PP switched. the TAFL also shows them on 46.7 MHz. I am guessing that is their old Lo band channel. I am actually heading for a camping trip there next week, so I will have to see if I can find any secondary channels.

Also, I am not sure why this system is not appearing in Uniden Sentinel for me.

Happy scanning!

 

[mikewazowski]

Most likely because Uniden doesn't recognize the Conventional P25 Networked type of system. I'd use Proscan to create a Favourites list for the system.

I would suspect all the Parks in Southwest Region have moved and the Parks in Southeast Region are starting to move. Should be easier to find now that summer is here.

 

[gary123]

The main conventional frequencies for southern Ontario are RX
149.170 NAC C91
149.185 NAC C92
152.000 NAC C93

Northern Ontario
143.640 NAC ???

All these frequencies are repeatered. The inputs are unverified. Also each park has a unique TG assigned. The RIDS assigned to each park are also unknown.

 

[mikewazowski]

Since these are just old MOH input channels, the old output channels are their inputs. Input to 149.170MHz is 149.605MHz and so on. Or.... you could just look them up in TAFL You can verify if a park in your area is using the new channels by listening for the DVRS data bursts. If you use DSDPlus, you can see the RID's and trunking affiliations since these are actually tiny trunking sites.

As far as Northern Ontario goes, they're still all on low band as far as I know and when they do switch, it will probably be to the same 3 frequencies used across the 2 OP Districts in Southern Ontario.

Any reason why you think they're on 143.640MHz? I did a search of the database and TAFL and don't see anything to suggest it.

 

[mikewazowski]

NVM, I think I figured it out. Presqu'Ile PP is listed in the Ontario Database as being on 143.460MHz with a license of CKZ701. If you look up the license in TAFL, you'll find that they're supposed to be on 152.000MHz as of 2019.

Someone in the area might want to have a listen to 152.000MHz and see if they've moved.

 

[ve3tej]

The main conventional frequencies for southern Ontario are RX
149.170 NAC C91
149.185 NAC C92
152.000 NAC C93


All these frequencies are repeatered. The inputs are unverified. Also each park has a unique TG assigned. The RIDS assigned to each park are also unknown.

If someone is in the area maybe try these for the inputs

149.170 tx 149.605 input
149.185 tx 149.620 input
152.000 tx 148.450 input

 

[mikewazowski]

I can confirm the first two are correct and 90% sure the 3rd one is correct as well.

 

[VA3ADP]

Interesting. I've been here at Bronte Creek PP all day. Haven't heard a single transmission on the P25 system

 

[gary123]

Have you checked out the VHF stand alone frequencies?.

The parks operation and links to LMRN are still mostly unknown. I do not believe parks are encrypted, so it should be easy to grab some off air info.

 

[exkalibur]

Interesting. I've been here at Bronte Creek PP all day. Haven't heard a single transmission on the P25 system

I was there last weekend and can confirm they use it. However, in the 6hrs I was there I heard maybe 4 or 5 transmissions. Their low band was silent the whole time.

 

[gary123]

If you're lucky maybe you will see some parks staff and get eyes on the radios in use. Sometimes a quick visit to the main gate will help. Even seeing the radio display name will be nice to add to the databases.

 

[mikewazowski]

Interesting. I've been here at Bronte Creek PP all day. Haven't heard a single transmission on the P25 system

Put your scanner in analog mode and listen for the data bursts on the frequency.

 

[Gymbag]

I submitted the Pinery Provincial Park frequency last year or the year before but someone wanted to know additional info that I didn’t have or understand

 

[mikewazowski]

What's good to remember is that these are not conventional channels but are sort of a quasi-trunking channels. Radios will register, affiliate, and when a call is made, a talkgroup will be used. It's easier to track the system in the database if at least the frequency and talkgroup is supplied. DSDPlus can supply this information easily. I haven't checked out what a Uniden scanner will show in search mode but I'd guess it would give a talkgroup as well.

 

[mciupa]

I submitted the Pinery Provincial Park frequency last year or the year before but someone wanted to know additional info that I didn’t have or understand

149.185

I remember, this is what I messaged:


From: mciupa Subject: RR Submission #255803 Date:2023-08-25 15:30:52

This can't be added unless we have a talkgroup number.



I can't even add a 00000 or 1XXXX site place holder until the proper site number/talkgroup is found. Anybody in the Lambton area able to check it out?

 

[Forts]

I'm 98.75% sure Pinery was 10132.