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Hi All
A fellow newbie scanner from across the ocean. This is going to be long!! (the message I mean!!)

I have decided to go down the Uniden route.......the problem is there are so many of them that my head hurts after trying to read up on them.........

So I have decided that the ladies and gentlemen of RR can decide for me.

First off.....do all radios from whatever country ie USA work the same way in all countries.....like an American radio works the same way in England.....except for Frequencies.......I love Airband.

So as I said, I love Airband, I also love the States, especially Florida. My friend is a private pilot and have done many flying hours in a private plane!! Its about half price over in the States for flying........i digress......So I am looking for the BEST Airband scanner that I can get.....not worried about police/fire brigade/taxis/security..........just airband....also the best aerial as well. So help out a limey,would you!!
tks for your help/advice.
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Greetings & welcome to Radioreference Terry. First off tell us if you seek a tabletop, mobile or handheld scanner & if tabletop, will you be mounting the antenna within your residence, attic or roof, I won't ask your spending limit because I cannot convert US/UK currency exchanges. I personally monitor civil aviation with an ICOM IC-A6, ICOM IC-A110, Uniden BC785XLT & a Alinco DJ-X10T. Check the RR WIKI section to familiarize yourself with what's available & feel free to ask any questions you may have, don't be shy, none of us came into the hobby as experts, most of us are still learning, Have fun.

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Hi Flrailman
Handheld....thats what I want!! should have said. Yes had a look thru wiki but with so many scanners/receivers on the market my head just spins. first off I think I will be spending something like $200US dollars. Been looking at the Uniden 92xlt, 230e, Icom r5 something along those lines. While I was looking at Uniden I realised there are so many scanners just in one company!!
Also will need a good aerial!! One for the Loft in bad weather the other while out and about!!

Terry
 

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Hello from NV. I use a GRE 300. It is about $200 here in the USA.
I take mine to airport area when I listen to Air. But the antenna works
fine for me. Try your radio with the stock antenna first if you do not
like it then spend the money. Keep in touch.
 

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I'm going to assume that you'll want to listen to the general-aviation air-bands on both sides of the pond. In that case, the newer 8.33 khz spacing may become a deciding factor, since many scanners in the $200 price range don't do 8.33 khz, just 25khz spacing in the 108-138 mhz range.

I know that 8.33 khz spacing is used more in Europe, but I'm not too up to date on the current status in England. You may want to check that out.

Also, is mil-air (uhf) important to you, or are you just interested in General-Aviation? The bands are similar worldwide.

With that in mind, here's what I'd recommend you look into in the approx $200 range:

Icom R5 - it has 8.33 khz spacing, will do mil-air as well, but may not be an ideal receiver to hook up to a loft-antenna in case it overloads. The oem rubber duck is ok to start with. However, if you do attach an external antenna, you are dealing with an sma-connector, so I'd suggest using an sma-bnc adapter to take the wear and tear off the sma connector itself. Then you'd need an external speaker, etc for fixed station use. That might get a bit unwieldy. It also isn't very loud, so expect to use headphones when out and about.

Uniden 346XT - this also does 8.33 khz spacing but NOT the military-air bands. So, it might be just enough with 8.33 khz spacing for general aviation use here and over there. Just don't use the trunking features and whatnot. Great build, a REAL belt-clip, and loud enough that you can walk around with your friend on the tarmac and listen to the tower as he does his outside pre-flight.

Radio Shack Pro-137 "race-scanner" aka a rebadged Uniden that looks much like the 346/396 series. Same durable build and great receiver. It does more than racing, and is easily turned into a great General Aviation scanner, which is what I've dedicated mine to. Just don't use the racing features. Again, you'd need to get an sma-bnc adapter to take the wear off the connector when switching frequently to a loft antenna. Loud enough not to need an external speaker like the rest of the Uniden 346/396 series etc. Includes both the regular sma-connector duck and a "stubby" small duck for close-in operations.

HOWEVER - with the RS Pro-137 (really a Uniden in disguise), you WON'T be able to do 8.33 khz spacing, so your listening may be limited to the US where much of the comms are still at 25khz spacing. Or perhaps what you want to listen to over there is still at 25khz spacing and you'd be ok. You'd have to check on that. Like the 346, it also does NOT do miltary-air uhf.

Also, the 137 is a breeze to program. This may or may not be an issue for you like the 346xt or the 230, which have extensive dynamic programming (essentially a 3-tier system, unlike the older bank/channel setup like the 137.)

Uniden SC230 - also good, but limited to 25khz spacing, and may not have as loud audio as say the 346XT or Pro-137. Also does NOT do mil-air. Seems to include both a regular duck and a stubby duck for close-in operations - AND it appears to be a BNC antenna connector, which might take more wear and tear if you change to your loft antenna frequently. So between the 137 and the 230, perhaps a toss-up.

All the Unidens have the typical rubber duck cut for around 156 mhz, and is good enough to get started, (the 137 and 230 include a stubby as well) however a higher quality antenna may be just the ticket, like the Diamond RH77CA, or it's sma-cousin.

So with an approximate $200 budget, it really comes down to:

1) Is 8.33 khz spacing a real concern for me right now? If so then the R5 or the Uniden 346XT are contenders.

2) Are you interested in military-air ops as well? In this case, just the R5 will do - but in reality you probably would want an external antenna, and the R5 may not take to that too well.

3) Will a super-small, light, do-it-all unit like the R5 be ok, but may not be ideal for fixed-station use on the desk with a loft antenna? (movement, overload, etc, unless you like playing with attenuators)

4) Is 25 khz spacing ok for now? If so, you may be able to get away with the rebadged Radio Shack Pro-137 racing-scanner put to GA monitoring. OR, your 230E model (If it is the Uniden SC230) is also limited to 25khz spacing.

5) Is audio output level a big concern when outside? If so, then the R5 may not cut it, especially if you are hanging out with a pilot on the tarmac.

6) If alpha-tagging is important, the R5's limited amount of characters might not be enough. Both the 346XT / Pro137 / 230 have enough characters to actually be very useful for alpha-tags.

I know the excitement of listening to GA freqs once you've had a taste of being up in the air!
 
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Hertzian.........What a gentleman (I hope?).
Thank you so much for all your hard work, lots of advice.
That lot will keep me busy over the weekend and will be doing alot of 'Googling'. Will be studying all that you have written, will reply when I have decided, my head is hurting already!!
Tks again
Terry
 

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FLRAILMAN.......Thanks mate, will do........been reading up on the Uniden usc 230e.....looks good that one.....you have it over there for scanning and NASCAR, over here its been adapted for scanning over here, the extra we have is that we have the Formula Grand Prix tuned in!!
By the way what part of Florida do you live in......been over to Florida six times.....love it!!
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Glad I could be of help Terry. I live in Orange City which is in the west end of Volusia County about 20 miles from Daytona & it's infamous speedway, I'm not into circle track, I love drag racing & I am in heaven when the NHRA circuit comes this way. I'm glad somebody loves the sunshine state, HOT, VERY HOT here, however the aviation frequency transmissions here are non-stop, it's great living on the dividing line of two ARTCCs, KZJX (Jacksonville) & KZMA (Miami) not to mention a gazillion airports & planes buzzing overhead at all hours. What fun, keep in touch & keep looking skyward like Pink Floyds Dave Gilmour sings in "Learning to Fly"

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Hi Harold,
All right! All right!, we have airports over here as well you know (ha ha ha) . Your batteries must wear out very quick with all that activity. 'Loves' the sunshine state......If there was once place I would emigrate to, its Florida....my friend and myself flew up to Gainsville, we were in the pilots rest room started to talk to a commercial pilot, offered to take us for a short trip.......it was a Gulfstream jet...flew us up to Tallahassee and back.....thats how friendly people are over there, (mind you, his company payed for it), restaurants, shops, department stores, everyone so polite......'Pink Floyd'....who are they!!
Have you ever been over to London??
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Terry you never heard of Pink Floyd? How old or should I say, how young are you? three of the remaining members live in the UK, David Gilmour, Nick Mason & Roger Waters (He technically isn't with the band anymore) They are senior citizens like me now, but back in the day, their concerts were legend. Never been to the UK however after talking to one of our RR members: Samos who hails from France who is into trains like myself, the wife agreed that I could go to Paris & take a ride on the TGV & Chunnel next year, I can't wait. Good luck on choosing the right scanner, been there, done that.

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Since the band split, particularly David since the ousting of Roger for his antics & mood swings years back & the ensuing legal battle that Roger initiated over Patent rights to the groups name reluctantly agreed to have a concert with him while Rick was still alive, When asked by the media if this was going to be the first of many concerts to come, David was noticeably ambivalent about it & Roger to (Save Face) adamantly stated that this concert was a one shot deal. The only member missing was Syd who became mentally unstable due to heavy drug use years back jeapordizing the bands image, he was the first to pass away, it was a very awkward moment at the funeral since Syds mom tried to blame the band for his uncontrollable drug use which was proven to be an untrue & unfair allegation. Since Ricks passing which David & Nick took very hard, David tours with back-up in smaller venues then they were used to & Nick works very closely with a Symphony in Germany. Occasionally David & Nick fly together as they both possess pilots licenses, hence the name "Learning to Fly" which was & still is one of their best & most popular blockbuster collaborations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Floyd

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_to_Fly_(song)

Some of their numerous "OFFICIAL" websites:

www.pinkfloyd.co.uk

www.pinkfloyd-co.com

www.pinkfloyd.com

www.pinkfloyd.net

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Hi Harold
You seem to like your 'Pink Floyd'!!. I DO remember Pink Floyd, was only trying to be funny (didnt work!!).
NOT quite a senior citizen yet!! Still working, (I am a London Taxi driver), cant wait to retire though!!
If you find yourself in London, I will give you my number nearer the time and we could go for a drink (payment for all your help).
I think I will get the Uniden usc230e and get a Watson 'gainer' aerial later on??
Have a good weekend.
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Terry. it's a deal, this is really going to happen, the wife didn't bat an eye when I came up with the suggestion, just said she is not going to fly several hours on a plane just to ride a train, so hence I'm going solo, should be much more peaceful. I just hope when I call home to tell her I'm on my way back, a man doesn't answer the phone like in Pink Floyds "Young Lust" song from "The Wall" CD. Let's keep in touch & I am going to start working on an itnerary for next year, should be fun bloke.

Harold

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Lust_(song)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bWdWZLSTio
 
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Hi Harold
I'll be posting on the Uniden site as soon as my radio arrivies (usc230e), so keep an eye out and for sure we will have a drink, theres a few good pubs over here!!
Terry
 
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