PA Statewide P25 Phase 2 System

[u2brent]

FWIW, I have been seeing RID 9000022 get Registration: REFUSED on the regular on the Allegheny Simulcast. I think it must be something local that was misconfigured some time ago and has never been sorted out. I don't see it once and a while, I see it all the time. Sometimes all day long, sometimes in batches of 4 or 5 then not again until the next day.

Obviously in the Radio Tech ID range, Is there ever a specific TG associated with the recurrence, like say TG 4.
also wonder if this is the kinda activity one would see if a FAILED "Non-Affiliated" scan/radio was in play?

 

[u2brent]

New license application for DAUP31 - Grantville, PA (Dauphin)

ULS Application - PubSafty/SpecEmer/PubSaftyNtlPlan,806-817/851-862MHz,Trunked - 0008552770 - PENNSYLVANIA, COMMONWEALTH OF - Locations Summary

854.4625
854.6875
858.5375
859.5375

The site is between DAUP01 Ellendale and LEBA74 Fort Indiantown Gap

We now have a callsign! DAUP31 Grantville / Manada Gap
WRDB482

 

[W3DMV]

Fired up Pro96com today. Results listed below:

 

[Audiodave1]

Does anyone else find it odd that DELA64 (Newtown Square) is not appearing as an offline neighbor to any of the surrounding sites, be it VHF or 800? As of this post the coverage in the troop k Media barracks area seems lacking, especially along the I-95 corridor from Delaware state line to Philadelphia airport. The strongest signal in the Media area is from the Devault VHF transmitter.
Time will tell. Looks like they are going to try and cover the whole area with only 30 watts of 800 megs out of Newtown Square.
Seems awfully iffy for handheld reception inside of buildings and/or down in the hollows.

I can't even pick up DELA64 tonight. Can anyone confirm it's on air at this time or perhaps I am out of range.
FYI Both Devaults and Hibernia and (of course) CHES31 are making it to the PA/DE state line with no problem.

 

[HM1529]

I can't even pick up DELA64 tonight. Can anyone confirm it's on air at this time or perhaps I am out of range.
FYI Both Devaults and Hibernia and (of course) CHES31 are making it to the PA/DE state line with no problem.

Neither Delco site is on the air or even showing up as a pending neighbor at this point. Will be a while, it seems.

 

[magiclightman]

Running unitrunker on Pocopson (CHES31) I’ve gotten 8,000 hits these past few hours on group 65536, any ideas as to why unitrunker is reading it this way. My unication can only monitor upto 65535 for a TG ID. Is this the patch from other sites?


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[u2brent]

I can't even pick up DELA64 tonight. Can anyone confirm it's on air at this time or perhaps I am out of range.
FYI Both Devaults and Hibernia and (of course) CHES31 are making it to the PA/DE state line with no problem.

Neither Delco site is on the air or even showing up as a pending neighbor at this point. Will be a while, it seems.

Might actually appear sooner than later..
been getting some new suspect RID's the past 2 days...

1201414 PSP K2 Unit TG 10164
1201421 PSP K2 Unit TG 10164
1201425 PSP K2 Unit TG 10164
1201431 PSP K2 Unit TG 10164
1201432 PSP K2 Unit TG 10164
1201434 PSP K2 Unit TG 10164
1201479 PSP K3 Unit TG 10165

but I gotta watch where I step

 

[Audiodave1]

Running unitrunker on Pocopson (CHES31) I’ve gotten 8,000 hits these past few hours on group 65536, any ideas as to why unitrunker is reading it this way. My unication can only monitor upto 65535 for a TG ID. Is this the patch from other sites?

Fron the unitrunker site: ID number 65536 is used to indicate a BSI or base station identification event on a voice channel. It's not an actual call or group ID. You may hear a morse coded station ID on the affected voice channel.

 

[HM1529]

Running unitrunker on Pocopson (CHES31) I’ve gotten 8,000 hits these past few hours on group 65536, any ideas as to why unitrunker is reading it this way. My unication can only monitor upto 65535 for a TG ID. Is this the patch from other sites?


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Not an actual talkgroup....

Details:
UniTrunker | Motorola

Edited to add: You can also configure Unitrunker to hide this ID (or any other) so it doesn't flood the history.

 

[GTR8000]

Running unitrunker on Pocopson (CHES31) I’ve gotten 8,000 hits these past few hours on group 65536, any ideas as to why unitrunker is reading it this way. My unication can only monitor upto 65535 for a TG ID. Is this the patch from other sites?

Fron the unitrunker site: ID number 65536 is used to indicate a BSI or base station identification event on a voice channel. It's not an actual call or group ID. You may hear a morse coded station ID on the affected voice channel.

Not an actual talkgroup....

Details:
UniTrunker | Motorola

Motorola ASTRO 25 systems at System Release 7.16 or newer will continuously send a digital BSI over the control channel, resulting in an enormous amount of hits on TG 65536 in Unitrunker. You'll probably want to set that TG to hidden so you don't have to see all of the entries in the site call history grid.

 

[magiclightman]

Motorola ASTRO 25 systems at System Release 7.16 or newer will continuously send a digital BSI over the control channel, resulting in an enormous amount of hits on TG 65536 in Unitrunker. You'll probably want to set that TG to hidden so you don't have to see all of the entries in the site call history grid.

10-4

 

[rrbum]

Does anyone know the significance of frequency 851.00625 being extracted from the data stream on this network. I don't know if I have corrupted copy of DSD+ or if it is actually valid. It keeps appearing in the voice channel activity window as the TX Freq during voice calls.
Appreciate any replies. I see this on Philly VHF 155.67 and if I recall on other sites as well. See no record of it in anything stored or when looking through some of the data in the main window.

 

[mtindor]

Does anyone know the significance of frequency 851.00625 being extracted from the data stream on this network. I don't know if I have corrupted copy of DSD+ or if it is actually valid. It keeps appearing in the voice channel activity window as the TX Freq during voice calls.
Appreciate any replies. I see this on Philly VHF 155.67 and if I recall on other sites as well. See no record of it in anything stored or when looking through some of the data in the main window.

No significance. It's a false hit. Just press "d" inside DSDPlus to forget / refetch / refresh the network information displayed. That'll remove all of the frequencies and repopulate them.

 

[rrbum]

No significance. It's a false hit. Just press "d" inside DSDPlus to forget / refetch / refresh the network information displayed. That'll remove all of the frequencies and repopulate them.

Nice. Thank you.

 

[u2brent]

Does anyone know the significance of frequency 851.00625 being extracted from the data stream on this network. I don't know if I have corrupted copy of DSD+ or if it is actually valid. It keeps appearing in the voice channel activity window as the TX Freq during voice calls.
Appreciate any replies. I see this on Philly VHF 155.67 and if I recall on other sites as well. See no record of it in anything stored or when looking through some of the data in the main window.

There's no need to discard.. On the VC channel window..
It's simply the Base frequency of Band Plan 0, I often see it on any PAStarNet site.. It usually disappears after some time all by itself... not really an error or false hit. It just is what it is...

2019/03/20 13:53:38 Freq=153.447500 NAC=943 Resetting neighbor list
2019/03/20 13:53:38 Freq=153.447500 NAC=943 Bandplan BEE00.942-0: Base=851.00625 Offset=-45 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
2019/03/20 13:53:38 Freq=153.447500 NAC=943 Bandplan BEE00.942-1: Base=762.00625 Offset=+30 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
2019/03/20 13:53:38 Freq=153.447500 NAC=943 Bandplan BEE00.942-2: Base=851.0125 Offset=-45 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
2019/03/20 13:53:38 Freq=153.447500 NAC=943 Bandplan BEE00.942-3: Base=762.00625 Offset=+30 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
2019/03/20 13:53:38 Freq=153.447500 NAC=943 Bandplan BEE00.942-4: Base=150.0000 Offset=-3.2 Spacing=2.5 BW=12.5
2019/03/20 13:53:38 Freq=153.447500 NAC=943 Bandplan BEE00.942-5: Base=161.7000 Offset=-3.2 Spacing=2.5 BW=12.5
2019/03/20 13:53:38 Freq=153.447500 NAC=943 Bandplan BEE00.942-6: Base=450.0000 Offset=+5 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
2019/03/20 13:53:38 Freq=153.447500 NAC=943 Bandplan BEE00.942-7: Base=150.0000 Offset=-3.2 Spacing=2.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
2019/03/20 13:53:38 Freq=153.447500 NAC=943 Bandplan BEE00.942-8: Base=150.0025 Offset=-3.2 Spacing=2.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
2019/03/20 13:53:38 Freq=153.447500 NAC=943 Bandplan BEE00.942-9: Base=155.0000 Offset=-3.2 Spacing=2.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
2019/03/20 13:53:38 Freq=153.447500 NAC=943 Bandplan BEE00.942-10: Base=155.0025 Offset=-3.2 Spacing=2.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
2019/03/20 13:53:38 Freq=153.447500 NAC=943 Bandplan BEE00.942-11: Base=161.7000 Offset=-3.2 Spacing=2.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
2019/03/20 13:53:38 Freq=153.447500 NAC=943 Bandplan BEE00.942-12: Base=161.7025 Offset=-3.2 Spacing=2.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
2019/03/20 13:53:38 Freq=153.447500 NAC=943 Bandplan BEE00.942-13: Base=166.8000 Offset=-3.2 Spacing=2.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
2019/03/20 13:53:38 Freq=153.447500 NAC=943 Bandplan BEE00.942-14: Base=166.8025 Offset=-3.2 Spacing=2.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
2019/03/20 13:53:38 Freq=153.447500 NAC=943 Bandplan BEE00.942-15: Base=450.0000 Offset=+5 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5 Slots=2
2019/03/20 13:53:38 Freq=153.447500 NAC=943 BSI=WGVG945

 

[dlnorth]

the WRAD754 location info is correct, I hate to be the hair splitter, but both the NTIA 1.95 & new 800 (presumably 1.59) [note the number swap] are just inside Adams County (just as the license indicates). Also of note https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?fccCallsign=WQXY484 is at the same (Newer) location. BUT does it really matter much? I believe the wiki is correct.. https://wiki.radioreference.com/ind..._Radio_Network_(PA-STARNet)_P25_Site_Research
I reckon it needs further investigation & verification to be thorough.

That site is fairly local, so I can run back up there and check again. Do you just want me to go up there and try to DF the VHF signal to determine which tower it is coming from or is there something else that is needed?

FWIW...the old fire tower is in Southampton Township, Cumberland County. It sits about 1,200 feet north of Shippensburg Road, on Ridge Road. The Adams County line is about 1/2 a mile east of the Shippensburg Road / Ridge Road intersection. Anything along Ridge Road would be in Cumberland County, and anything on Birch Run Road, where the new tower is listed (although it actually sits a few hundred feet west of Birch Run Road) would be in Adams County. The new tower site is in Menallen Township, Adams County, and is about 1,200 feet or so inside the county line on a piece of DCNR land where Michaux State Forest has a maintenance building. The access to the new tower is off of Shippensburg Road.

 

[u2brent]

That site is fairly local, so I can run back up there and check again. Do you just want me to go up there and try to DF the VHF signal to determine which tower it is coming from or is there something else that is needed?

FWIW...the old fire tower is in Southampton Township, Cumberland County. It sits about 1,200 feet north of Shippensburg Road, on Ridge Road. The Adams County line is about 1/2 a mile east of the Shippensburg Road / Ridge Road intersection. Anything along Ridge Road would be in Cumberland County, and anything on Birch Run Road, where the new tower is listed (although it actually sits a few hundred feet west of Birch Run Road) would be in Adams County. The new tower site is in Menallen Township, Adams County, and is about 1,200 feet or so inside the county line on a piece of DCNR land where Michaux State Forest has a maintenance building. The access to the new tower is off of Shippensburg Road.

It is up to you, It would be great to be 100% sure, but it doesn't affect the DB (aside from a county label & finely adjusted lat/long for the site). As I previously stated, It's just splitting hairs.. They still call it CUMB04.

 

[radioman2001]

I have seen TG 65536 used for FCC ID every 15 or 1/2 hour on another system

 

[u2brent]

I have seen TG 65536 used for FCC ID every 15 or 1/2 hour on another system

It occurs every hour at 32 min past on the PaStarNet P25 (Using DSD+)

 

[GTR8000]

That site is fairly local, so I can run back up there and check again. Do you just want me to go up there and try to DF the VHF signal to determine which tower it is coming from or is there something else that is needed?

At your leisure if you're up for it. Would be nice to have a definitive location on where the site actually is, but obviously not critical. I did note in your original observation that you had 3-4 bars with the antenna off, presumably at the fire tower site? Perhaps you'll remain at 4-5 bars at the newer site.