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Can anyone advise the numbering structure for the fire departments in PG County? I've been listening to the feed some and I'm trying to keep up with who's who. Thanks in advance.
 

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They are now on the COG numbering systems. PG County is "8". All units now have 8 as their first number.

Example:

Old New
Tk01 Tk801
E292 E829 (add "B" if it is the 2nd engine out)
TW24 TW824
RS22 RS822
A459 A845
MD40 MD840


Hope that helps
 

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rkight said:
They are now on the COG numbering systems. PG County is "8". All units now have 8 as their first number.

Example:

Old New
Tk01 Tk801
E292 E829 (add "B" if it is the 2nd engine out)
TW24 TW824
RS22 RS822
A459 A845
MD40 MD840


Hope that helps

Thanks for the reply. A couple of further questions. What does COG stand for? Are all of the volunteer fire departments dispatched on the same channel, particulary the new PG County Feed? And if so, How is each department broken down? Do they have a batch of numbers (801-810 for one, 811-820 for another)?

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COG stands for Counsil of Governments. You can learn more about the Metro Washington COG here


To understand how the new numbering works you have to understand how the old system worked.

The old numbers used some aspect of the station number to identify a rig. For instance if Company 1 had an engine that engine was identified as Engine 11 if they had a second Engine it was identified as Engine 12, a third as Engine 13 and so on. The same was true for ambulances only they used the numbers 9, 8, 7 and sometimes even 6. So the ambulance out of Company 1 would be Ambulance 19. If they had two ambulances the second may have been Ambulance 18.

So this is how the numbers used to be.

Hyattsville VFD, Company 1
Engine 11, Engine 12, Truck 1, Rescue Squad 1, Ambulance 17, Ambulance 19, and Utility 1

Capital Heights VFD, Company 5
Engine 51, Engine 52, Truck 5, Mass Casualty Support Unit 5, Paramedic Ambulance 5, and Utility 5

Riverdale VFD, Company 7
Engine 71, Engine 72, Tower 7, Ambulance 77, Utility 7

Seat Pleasant VFD, Company 8
Engine 81, Engine 83, Rescue Squad 8, Ambulance 88, Utility 8, Car 8

Bladensburg VFD, Company 9
Engine 92, Engine 93, Telesqurt 9, Truck 9, (Quint 9 on order), Ambulance 98, Ambulance 99, Utility 9

Laurel VFD, Company 10
Engine 102, Engine 103, Engine 104, Tower 10, Ambulance 109, Utility 10

Branchville VFD, Company 11
Engine 112, Engine 113, Ambulance 117, Ambulance 119, Utility 11

College Park VFD, Company 12
Engine 121, Engine 122, Truck 12, Foam Unit 12, Ambulance 128, Ambulance 129, Medic 12

Riverdale Heights VFD, Company 13
Engine 131, Engine 132, Rescue Squad 13, Ambulance 137, Utility 13

Berwyn Heights VFD, Company 14
Truck 14, Rescue Squad 14, Rescue Squad 14R, Ambulance 148, Ambulance 149, Utility 14, Boat 14

Boulevard Heights VFD, Company 17
Engine 171, Engine 174, Truck 17, Ambulance 179, Utility 17

Glenn Dale VFD, Company 18
Engine 181, Rescue Engine 18, Rescue Squad 18 (on order), BX 18, Ambulance 187, Medic 18

Bowie VFD, Companies 19, 39, 43
Engine 191, Engine 192, Engine 391, Engine 392, Engine 431, Engine 432, Truck 19, Tower 39, Tower 43, BX 39, Tanker 39, Ambulance 199, Ambulance 399, Special Events Ambulance 39, Ambulance 439, Medic 43, Air Unit 19, Utility 19, Utility 39, Utility 43, Light Unit 19

Marlboro VFD, Company 20
Engine 201, Engine 202, Engine 203, Engine 204, Truck 20( may have gone to 45), Rescue Squad 20, BX 20, Ambulance 209, Medic 20, Utility 20

Oxon Hill VFD, Companies 21 & 42
Engine 211, Engine 212, Paramedic Engine 42, Engine 422, Tower 21, Ambulance 219, Ambulance 429

Tuxedo-Cheverly, Company 22
Engine 222, Quint 22, Rescue Squad 22, Technical Rescue 22, Collapse Unit 22, Ambulance 229, Utility 22, Hovercraft 22

Forestville VFD, Company 23
Engine 231, Engine 232, Engine 235, Tanker 23, BX 23, Ambulance 238, Utility 23

Accokeek VFD, Company 24
Engine 241, Engine 242, Tower 24, Mini Pumper 24, BX 24, Ambulance 249, Utility 24

Clinton VFD, Company 25
Engine 251, Engine 255, Truck 25, Water Supply 25, WS Support Unit 25, Ambulance 259, Medic 25

District Heights VFD, Company 26
Engine 261, Engine 262, Truck 26, Ambulance 269

Morningside VFD, Company 27
Engine 271, Engine 272, Rescue Squad 27, Ambulance 279

West Lanham Hills VFD, Companies 28 & 48
Engine 281, Engine 282, Engine 482, Engine 484, Truck 28, Mini Pumper 28, BX 48, Ambulance 487, Ambulance 488, Ambulance 489

Silver Hill VFD, Company 29
Engine 291, Engine 292, Engine 294, Ambulance 299, Medic 29

Landover Hills, Company 30
Engine 301, Engine 302, Hazmat 30, Ambulance 309, Medic 30

Beltsville VFD, Companies 31 & 41
Engine 311, Engine 312, Engine 411, Engine 412, Truck 31, BX 31, Hazmat Support Unit 41, Ambulance 319, Ambulance 419, Utility 31, Utility 41

Allentown Road VFD, Companies 32 & 47
Engine 321, Engine 322, Engine 472, Truck 32, Rescue Squad 47, BX 32, Ambulance 329, Ambulance 479, Medic 47, Utility 32, Utility 47, Boat 47

Kentland VFD, Companies 33 & 46
Engine 331, Engine 332, Rescue Engine 33, Engine 461, Tower 33, Mini Pumper 33, Ambulance 469, Medic 46

Chillum Adelphi VFD, Company 34
Engine 341, Engine 343, Truck 34, Ambulance 348

Greenbelt VFD, Company 35
Engine 351, Engine 353, Ambulance 359, Utility 35

Baden VFD, Company 36
Engine 361, Engine 362, Tanker 36, Brush 36, BX 36, Ambulance 369, Utility 36

Ritchie VFD, Company 37
Engine 371, Engine 372, Engine 373, Mini Pumper 37, Utility 37, Canteen 1

Chapel Oaks VFD, Company 38
Engine 381, Engine 384, Ambulance 389, Utility 38

Brandywine VFD, Company 40
Engine 401, Engine 402, Rescue Engine 40, Rescue Squad 40, BX 40, Ambulance 409, Medic 40, Utility 40, Car 40

Chillum, Company 44
Paramedic Engine 44, Ambulance 449

Croom, Company 45 (Formerly Marlboro VFD)
Engine 452, Tanker 45, Hazmat Support Unit 45, BX 45, Ambulance 459, Breathing Air/Light Unit 45, Utility 45

Laurel VRS, Company 49
Rescue Engine 49, Rescue Squad 49, Ambulance 496, Ambulance 498, Ambulance 499, Medic 49, and Utility 49, Dive Unit 49, Boat 49, Boat 49A, and Mass Casualty Support Unit 49

Bunker Hill VFD, Company 55
Engine 551, Engine 552, Engine 553, Engine 554, Truck 55, Mini Pumper 55, Ambulance 559, and Medic 55

Underwater Rescue, Company 56/57
Dive Unit 56, Boat 561-564, Numerous other Units

Special Operations, Company 53
Engine 531, Bomb Disposal unit 15, Numerous Polaris Rangers & Golf Carts for Stadium Games

It was a good system that worked well.

Now to understand the new COG numbers for the fire apparatus do the following. If it is an engine, ambulance or anything that has a call sign with the station number and another number after that number, add an 8 and loose the extra number at the end. For example if it’s Engine 331, add the 8 and loose the 1 and get Engine 833. Now if it is a station with a single digit number you will have to put a zero in between the 8 and the station number. For example Engine 71. Add the 8, loose the 1 and put a zero in between. You get Engine 807. Ok one more Ambulance 187 is now (come on, everybody now!) Ambulance 818. Yeah!

Now, any of the rigs that shared the same number as the station like Paramedic Ambulances, Paramedic Engines, Trucks, Towers, Squads, Utilities, BX Units (now BR Units) and so on you just add an 8 to the number. Example Paramedic Engine 44 is now Paramedic Engine 844. Truck 5 is now Truck 805 (and usually understaffed lol).

Now the f'd up part of this whole mess. In PG County it is not uncommon for some companies to have multiple crews in the evening or on the weekends. Some companies are strictly engine companies while some may staff a wagon (engine) and a special service (truck, tower, or squad). With the old system you could tell the difference between each engine. For example if Co. 48 has two engine crews and two ambo crews in the past that may have been Engine 482, Engine 484 Ambo 487, and 488. With the COG numbers a letter is to be added to each additional staffed unit similar to the rest. So 48 would be running Engine 848, Engine 848b, Ambo 848, and Ambo 848b. Confused yet? Oh wait it gets worse. If you only have one crew then the "a" is silent.

How about chiefs and county officials? Battalion Chief 1 used to be the Battalion Chief of the first battalion. His id is now battalion Chief 801 not to be confused with Chief 801 who is the chief of Hyattsville VFD. These numbers are all messed up and my hand hurts from typing but you have the basics to figure out how it works.

As far as dispatch is concerned? All units are dispatched by Public Safety Communications. For the following is procedure.

46.12- Station alerting (house bells) and a simulcast of Channel one. No actual 2-way traffic is conducted on this frequency and monitoring it is not very practical unless you like listening to Quick Call tones.

PGFD Channel 1-Main fire dispatch. All units in PG County receive the vocal dispatch of any fire/ems incident in the county on this channel. Most units monitor this channel all the time and will not switch channels until ordered to. On dispatch the dispatcher will assign a response channel. These other channels will be explained below. Field units also have the capabilities of talk around on Channel 1 and if assigned to respond on Channel 1 for a local alarm (auto fires, fire alarms, assist citizens, and other BS calls. They are required to use talk around once on scene to conduct operations. Units may not go direct with each other on ANY repeated channel unless granted permission from the dispatcher.

The tones or beeps on this channel also have their own meaning. A short beep is usually for a local alarm (BS call single unit response), ambulance local (BLS call), medic local (ALS call), or rescue local (involving a vehicle). One really long beep is usually a cancellation of a call or unit prior to the unit marking in route. One short and one longer is a street alarm. A street alarm these days is usually an inside investigation call. This brings two engines, a truck or squad and a command officer. Three beeps, two short and one longer is a box assignment. A box alarm brings four engines, two trucks, the closest squad or third truck (rapid intervention), and a battalion chief. Add water supply 25 and three tankers for a no hydrant area.

PGFD Channel 2- Channel 2 is the response channel for all EMS incidents on the North Side of the county or north of Central Ave. This includes crashes and rescues. Tal around is available for this channel.

PGFD Channel 3- Channel 3 is the response channel for all fire incidents south of Central Av (South Side). Talk around is available.

PGFD Channel 4- Channel for is the response channel for all fire incidents north of Central Av (North Side).

PGFD Channel 5-Channel 5 is the talk around for Channel 3.

PGFD Channel 6- Channel 6 is the talk around for Channel 4.

PGFD Channel 7- Channel 7 is the response channel for all EMS incidents on the South Side of the county or south of Central Av. Talk around is available.

PGFD Channel 8- Channel 8 is reserved as a back up channel. It is sometimes used as a command channel for relaying info to PSC if the operating channel is busy. Talk around is available.

PGFD Channel 9- Channel 9 is the response channel for all fire incidents in the Laurel and Beltsville area. It is set up to be patched with mutual aid departments. Talk around is available.

PGFD Channel 10- Channel 10 is the response channel for any fire incidents in the Hyattsville, Mount Rainer, Bunker Hill, Chillum-Adelphi and College Park area. It is set up to be patched with mutual aid departments. Talk around is available.

PGFD Channel 11- Channel 11 is a simplex channel designated as an extra ops channel.

PGFD Channel 12- Channel 12 is a simplex channel designated as an extra ops channel.

PGFD Channel 13- Channel 13 is a simplex channel designated for fire and ems operations at Fed Ex Field during events.

I hope this helps.
 
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WOW! That's a lot of information! Thanks for taking the time to explain it all!! I look at the PG volly departments' websites from time to time and see how busy it is up there. Several years ago, I actually thought about the whole live-in program at Hyattsville and had though about going to school up there.

What channels does the new new PG feed include?
 

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I need help!! I'm looking for the PG communications manual on line. Our county in PA is implementing a procedure and I would like to see how PG has it set up. Can anyone help me out or give me a contact to gather this info.?
 

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I need help!! I'm looking for the PG communications manual on line. Our county in PA is implementing a procedure and I would like to see how PG has it set up. Can anyone help me out or give me a contact to gather this info.?

What aspect of the communications manual are you looking for? Station alerting, operations...?
 

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We are looking for procedures on PARS as well as if anything is in writing regarding what each unit on an assignment's responsibilities are. IE. First due engine drop a line to side A, and so on.
 

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We are looking for procedures on PARS as well as if anything is in writing regarding what each unit on an assignment's responsibilities are. IE. First due engine drop a line to side A, and so on.

you are looking for PG county fire department General Orders Section 3.

I was a volly there and was required to memorize the first few as far as first-fourth due wagon and truck or special service duties. I did a quick search online but could not find any decent link.
 

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We are looking for procedures on PARS as well as if anything is in writing regarding what each unit on an assignment's responsibilities are. IE. First due engine drop a line to side A, and so on.

These are not really communications issues. They are tactical considerations. Does your PA department or county have a similar set-up as PGs? Operationally? Demographically? Or do you just like that PG sounds "cool" on the radio?
 

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It has nothing to do with how they sound on the radio. I have always been taught not to reinvent the wheel so I am asking for information from other counties to bring to our committee.
 

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Station 1
Engine 801, Engine 801B, Truck 801, Rescue Squad 801, Ambulance 801, Ambulance 801B, Utility 801

Station 5
Engine 805, Engine 805B, Truck 805, Ambulance 805 (PA 805 is now OOS), Utility 805

Station 7
Engine 807, Tower Ladder 807, Ambulance 807

Station 8
Engine 808, Engine 808B, Rescue Squad 808, Ambulance 808, Utility 808

Station 9
Engine 809, Engine 809B, Engine 809C, Truck 809, Ambulance 809, Ambulance 809B, Utility 809

Station 10
Engine 810, Engine 810B, Engine 810C, Tower Ladder 810, Ambulance 810, Utility 810

Station 11
Engine 811, Engine 811B, Ambulance 811, Ambulance 811B

Station 12
Engine 812, Engine 812B, Truck 812, Foam Unit 812, Ambulance 812, Ambulance 812B, Medic 812,
Foam Support/Utility 812

Station 13
Engine 813, Engine 813B, Ambulance 813

Station 14
Truck 814, Rescue Squad 814, Rescue Squad 814B, Ambulance 814, Utility 814

Station 16 (Northview Fire-EMS Station, Bowie)
unknown app at this time

Station 17
Engine 817, Engine 817B, Ambulance 817 (Truck 817 is now Truck 829), Utility 817

Station 18
Engine 818, Rescue Engine 818, Rescue Squad 818, Ambulance 818, Medic 818

Station 19
Engine 819, Engine 819B, Truck 819, Ambulance 819, Utility 819

Station 20
Engine 820, Engine 820B, Truck 820, Rescue Squad 820, Brush 820, Ambulance 820, Medic 820, Utility 820

Station 21
Engine 821, Tower Ladder 821, Ambulance 821

Station 22
Quint 822, Rescue Squad 822, Technical Rescue 822, Collapse Unit 822, Ambulance 822, Medic 822 (ex Medic 830)

Station 23
Engine 823, Engine 823B, Tanker 823, Brush 823, Ambulance 823, Utility 823

Station 24
Engine 824, Engine 824B, Tower Ladder 824, Mini Pumper 824, Brush 824, Ambulance 824, Utility 824

Station 25
Engine 825, Engine 825B, Truck 825, Water Supply 825, Water Supply Support Unit 825, Ambulance 825, Medic 825

Station 26
Engine 826, Engine 826B, Truck 826, Ambulance 826, Paramedic Ambulance 826

Station 27
Engine 827, Rescue Squad 827, Ambulance 827, Utility 827

Station 28
Engine 828, Engine 828B, Truck 828, Mini Pumper 828, Utility 828

Station 29
Engine 829, Engine 829B, Truck 829 (ex Truck 817), Ambulance 829, Medic 829

Station 30
Engine 830, Ambulance 830, Ambulance 830B, HazMat 830, Decon Unit 830

Station 31
Engine 831, Engine 831B, Truck 831, Ambulance 831, Utility 831

Station 32
Engine 832, Engine 832B, Truck 832 (now going to Station 37??), Brush 832, Ambulance 832, Utility 832

Station 33
Engine 833, Engine 833B, Rescue Engine/Squad 833, Tower Ladder 833, Mini Pumper 833, Ambulance 833

Station 34
Engine 834, Engine 834B, Truck 834, Ambulance 834, Utility 834

Station 35
Engine 835, Engine 835B, Ambulance 835, Utility 835

Station 36
Paramedic Engine 836, Engine 836, Tanker 836, Brush 836, Brush 836B, Ambulance 836, Utility 836

Station 37
Engine 837, Engine 837B, Engine 837C, Truck 837 (ex Truck 832 soon?), Mini Pumper 837

Station 38
Engine 838, Engine 838B, Ambulance 838, Utility 838

Station 39
Engine 839, Engine 839B, Tower Ladder 839, Tanker 839, Brush 839, Ambulance 839, Utility 839, Canteen 839, Canteen Support 839

Station 40
Engine 840, Rescue Engine 840, Rescue Squad 840, Brush 840, Paramedic Ambulance 840, Ambulance 840 (when Vol. staff it/or available), Utility 840, Car 840

Station 41
Engine 841, Paramedic Ambulance 841, HazMat Support Unit 841

Station 42
Paramedic Engine 842, Engine 842, Ambulance 842

Station 43
Engine 843, Engine 843B, Tower Ladder 843, Brush 843, Ambulance 843, Medic 843, Utility 843

Station 44
EMS Only Station now, I believe... Ambulance 844

Station 45
Engine 845, Tanker 845, HazMat Support Unit 845, Breathing Air/Light Unit 845, Ambulance 845, Utility 845

Station 46
Engine 846, Ambulance 846, Medic 846

Station 47
Engine 847, Rescue Squad 847, Ambulance 847, Medic 847, Fire Boat 847 (ex FireBoat 858), Utility 847

Station 48
Engine 848, Engine 848B, Brush 848, Ambulance 848, Ambulance 848B

Station 49
Rescue Engine 849, Rescue Squad 849, Ambulance 849, Ambulance 849B, Water Rescue 849, Boat 849, Boat 849A, Mass Casualty Support Unit 849, Utility 849

Station 55
Engine 855, Engine 855B, Truck 855, Mini Pumper 855, Paramedic Ambulance 855, Medical Ambulance Bus 855

Station 56/57
Boat 856, Boat 856A, Boat 856B, Boat 857, Dive Unit 856

Station 58 (National Harbor)
Engine 858 (No Longer), FireBoat 858 (now FireBoat 847)
 

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FYI on PGFD CO 33 Apparatus Change

Just a FYI folks, Kentland Company 33's TL33 is no longer a Tower ladder as of the 13th of the month, they are running as truck 33 with a spare until the new tower ladder arrives since the old one is sold.
 

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COG stands for Counsil of Governments. You can learn more about the Metro Washington COG here

To understand how the new numbering works you have to understand how the old system worked.

This is excellent information. Someone should add this to the Wiki. I'm down near Byran's Road, so I hear company 11 called up all the time, and sometimes hear them assisting 24, or 24 assisting them. I've even heard 24 mark up as "Engine 242" or 241 sometimes, and Charles dispatch quickly corrects them.

Are they going to re-paint all the apparatus to match the new numbering scheme? Or is the COG stuff just kind of an organization mechanism?

Also, is there any info on how all the old station numbers got assigned? There's definitely a pattern to them, including for the few federal fire departments in the area. I.e., Accokeek is Company 24, while Charles itself has no stations in that range. NSWC Indian Head, however, is Company 20. NSWC Dahlgren is Company 28. It feels a little like someone played a maddening game of Sudoku to assign station numbers so that numbers retained a kind of consistency in a given region and only repeated well outside of that region.
 
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