It doesn't make much sense to me, either. I wonder if Webb's people used a little artistic license there (What? Jack Webb do that??) and kind of combined the Motran DFE style control heads with the earlier single-channel heads.The one you have posted here mystifies me as I can't figure out how it functions.
Absolutely... and simplex to boot. Today, the patrol and traffic units have 40 simplex/duplex tactical frequency pairs - one for each division, 8 "bureau" tacs, and 7 citywide tacs.I remember living in L.A. when Adam-12 was on. Tac's 1 and 2 sounded almost like CB in that there was almost constant traffic on it and units talking over other units. Tac 1 was mainly for detectives and HQ (Parker Center) personnel and Tac 2 was for division patrol units. Obviously there was more traffic than one frequency could handle.
MANY of the cars (but not all) had these second radios, informally called "cheaters," because the first guys to get them were the supervisors... now they could hear what their officers were transmitting. AFAIK, all the cheater radios were recycled single-channel radios from pre-1967, when they were finally allowed to have tac frequencies and thus the need for multi-channel rigs.The actual patrol cars had two control heads, one a transceiver on the division frequency and one to monitor the division mobile frequency. This second control head was for a receiver only so the units could hear each other call the dispatcher and avoid stepping on each other.
That may well have been true for some of the radios, but I don't remember ever seeing them (which doesn't really mean much, as I rode in or drove LAPD cars maybe a hundred or so times max). Most of my really up-close looks were at Hollywood Div in 1969 when one of my jobs was to inventory and keep track of all the cars' radios. To a scannerd (but wait, they didn't scan yet, did they?), an ideal job. :roll:I think the right switch was disabled on four channel radios. They made the control heads alike and put the switch on the right on every model as I recall.
I've heard two explanations for that, both from old-timer radio techs and policemen. The more common version is that "CC" was the prefix for some handheld radio model numbers (Motorola?), so they just took to referring to any portable as a "CC unit." The other story is similar, but that the CC was simply the sequential alpha listing for handheld radios in the Supply Division catalog. Other than supervisors,some detectives and in later years (1970s), footbeat officers, patrol officers almost never had handhelds unless they were issued at an incident requiring them. Too, with 460 square miles of city and no voting receivers, the 1950s-1970s portables were lucky to get through to the dispatchers anyway.I've watched seasons 1 and 2. It is interesting to watch officers working without handhelds. One of the episodes showed a SWAT situation and a sergeant gave each officer a "CC unit." I used to know what CC stood for but I can't now.
Thanks for the nod, and I'm always willing to try to at least take a shot at it. I WAS going to reply toIf Harry Marnell checks in on this thread he could answer all our questions in a heartbeat.
that "at least I've become a little more succinct in the last ten years," but looking at what I've just typed, I guess I can't even say that!This should explain the center switch (#1) Adam 12 radio control head Information
If Adam 12 accurately depicted procedure that was current at the time, things have really changed. I can't believe how the arrests of felony suspects are shown. Proper distance and posture are not shown, and they make felony stops without a second unit. 'They don't make the suspects walk back wards and then kneel with one ankle over the other.
I like watching Adam-12 on Hula, but must admit some of the acting was pretty poor. Not by Milner or McCord, but by some of the actors playing citizen roles. I've also seen some more well known actors playing roles on the show before they became well known.
I was watching it last night, and it seems like when on a certain channel, they can only hear dispatch.
You will all of a sudden hear "1-L-20 roger"
and nothing else.. They can't hear other units.
When they switch to tac 2 they can hear each other like a simplex 2 way..
That's correct. Before LAPD went to UHF in the early 1980s, the VHF dispatch system was semi-duplex. There were 5 dispatch "talk-out" frequencies, and each was shared by several divisions and their dispatchers. Each division (usually) had its own "input" frequencies. The dispatcher (RTO) heard only the mobiles on his/her mobile frequency, but the officers would hear all the RTOs who shared their talkout frequency. Clear as mud? Maybe this list from early 1974 will help. RTOs transmitted on A, B, C, D, or E; mobiles transmitted on the numbered freqs:I was watching it last night, and it seems like when on a certain channel, they can only hear dispatch.
You will all of a sudden hear "1-L-20 roger"
and nothing else.. They can't hear other units.
When they switch to tac 2 they can hear each other like a simplex 2 way..
Actually it was kind of the opposite. Except for the cars that had "cheater" receivers, which I mentioned earlier in post #6, the officers couldn't hear the other units on their frequency, so they couldn't tell if someone else was transmitting. For any lengthy message, such as running a suspect or giving a crime broadcast, the unit would ask "6A15, requesting the frequency for a crime broadcast," to which the RTO would reply, "All Hollywood units stand by, 6A15 go ahead." Hopefully the other Hollywood units would be listening and wouldn't transmit until they heard the RTO say, "Hollywood frequency (or 'frequency 1') clear."Pretty sure that has something to do with each unit not talking over each other. At least that was the explanation I received from an LAPD veteran a while back. I may be wrong though.
It generally worked OK, as again the officers were used to the system and they tended to keep their messages short and tried to monitor the radio pretty closely. In a way they had it tougher than we RTOs, though, as they had to listen to the constant babbling of up to five dispatchers - plus any wide-area or citywide emergency broadcasts- but pay closest attention to just their own RTO.
The officers couldn't, since they had the typical "push-to-talk/release-to-listen" radio. But the RTOs could still hear their units while they were transmitting. You could be broadcasting a series of calls and if an officer had an urgent (or sometimes not-so-urgent) message you learned to get the gist of what he was saying, and either interrupt yourself to handle his request immediately, or keep on doing your broadcast and handle his message at the end.With five different dispatchers all talking on the same frequency, when would the officers have a chance to get a word in edgewise? They couldn't talk and listen at the same time, could they?
Exactly, Mike. There was an interlock which prevented two RTOs from transmitting on the same frequency at once. When you wanted to transmit, you'd step on a foot pedal, and the "on the air" light (see pic below, if it displays OK) would be red if someone else was transmitting on your talk-out freq, dark if nobody was, and green when YOU had the air. When multiple RTOs needed the air, which was most of the time, it would rotate from one console to the next.Harry,
Out of curiosity, were the RTO's able to tell when another RTO was broadcasting so that THEY wouldn't step on each other? You alluded to the fact that the RTO's didn't have to listen to each other so this is why I ask. Perhaps a light on the dispatch panel that indicated a transmission was taking place...
I started in 1978 and my first assignment out of the academy was working Communications. What a zoo.
The emergency phone number was 625-3311. We were so short handed that you were likely to get a recording when you called in. "You have reached the Los Angeles Police Department emergency line. All lines are busy. If this is an actual emergency and you need a police car sent, stay on the line, an officer will help you shortly. If you merely need advice, or have questions to be answered, look in your telephone directory for the police station in your area" - Thats how I remember it. I actually got to work the LINK- I was a minor celebrity with my peers. We had to hit a buzzer to tell the RTOs to stop transmitting when putting out a hot shot. My first pursuit was out of SW and the bad guy was in a powder blue Monte Carlo who kept going around the block until he T/Ad. Sorry to bore you all.