Perhaps it was meant for BOTE, but nonetheless quite useful for me. Thanks for that tasty morsel. I'm going to go edit my conventional freqs now
Mike
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Perhaps it was meant for BOTE, but nonetheless quite useful for me. Thanks for that tasty morsel. I'm going to go edit my conventional freqs now
Mike
dougjgray
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Over all I find the 197 to be a good scanner. Although in comparison to my bcd996 the 996 does better with edacs system I had set the dwell on the 197 to 1 second on the denver edacs ortherwise I missed alot of traffic I guess it has to do with esk and the 996 does alot better with air and other vhf Freq. On the 996 air signal no bars is totally audible. Both scanners are comperable on the p25 systems I listen to. I do like the LED versus audio tone indication on TGs so that is good. I do like although its not a feature of the scanner but Win500 allows to stream audio along with control over the network which is kinda cool for listening in other rooms or sharing your scanner with a neighbor with wifi
for listening in other rooms or sharing your scanner with a neighbor with wifi
VHF PS? I do now, even with outside antenna - But I had to run a PAR filter inline to wipe out the local TV station. Still there are hints of overload and intermod at times. My PSR-500 seems a little worse. Definitely rough beasts to tame with strong signals in the vicinity.
Aircraft - not a chance. It's useless on aircraft. Between even more intermod / images / overload and the fact that I have to turn off all my computer equipment to manage to tame the spurious signal enough to be able to scan at a decent squelch level, it's useless. Let's face it, you don't need a super hot front end for aircraft - You need an antenna designed to pick up the aircraft band well and then you'll really get everything you need.
I certainly acknowledge that a lot of scanners blow it away on VHF PS / VHF AC / UHF AC - and it's great that there are many out there for almost pennies for those who need to scan that spectrum.
Mike
PHOENIX_SCANNER
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Great tips all!
This is what makes this forum great. The CTCSS / search setting for conv frequencies is really cool, I think for everyone, as long as you know there won't be digital traffic on it. Cool!
I also found other tips here very interesting / creative, and kudos to those who shared them. I personally don't have any of these issues, and am lucky that I don't live near something that overloads my font end I guess.
With the right notch filter I am sure the scanner could be a good performer on VHF PS, but agree with others that on the airband it is just too hot.
I really agree with mtindor, that if you are really upset about your 197 not doing airband the way you want, you can pick up a decent scanner off ebay for almost nothing. Since you don't need squelch decoding, I will suggest a Pro-2006 off ebay, which can usually be had for about $100. It's one of the best old school analog scanners ever made IMO. Or you can ask fellow air fans what units they use, and probably pick on up on ebay for half that amount. Or, spend $200 and get the BCT15, the Cadillac of analog scanners (IMO).
I don't think there is a "one size fits all" scanner, but these new RS / GRE units do pretty well on balance, with a strong focus on p25 trunking.
Now, about the slow scanning comment...
Are you kidding? These scanners are lighting fast from my experience.
Watch out for the following though:
Conventional: Watch your squelch if you are using squelch codes on the frequencies. If the squelch is too low the scanner will CRAWL through them, at the pace of a wounded snail. Turn it up a bit, and it flies.
TRS's: Watch your hold time. Just set it to zero and be done. If you set it too high the scanner will dwell on a system for far too long.
Does anyone else feel the scanning is slow? I just don't see it...
This is what makes this forum great. The CTCSS / search setting for conv frequencies is really cool, I think for everyone, as long as you know there won't be digital traffic on it. Cool!
I also found other tips here very interesting / creative, and kudos to those who shared them. I personally don't have any of these issues, and am lucky that I don't live near something that overloads my font end I guess.
With the right notch filter I am sure the scanner could be a good performer on VHF PS, but agree with others that on the airband it is just too hot.
I really agree with mtindor, that if you are really upset about your 197 not doing airband the way you want, you can pick up a decent scanner off ebay for almost nothing. Since you don't need squelch decoding, I will suggest a Pro-2006 off ebay, which can usually be had for about $100. It's one of the best old school analog scanners ever made IMO. Or you can ask fellow air fans what units they use, and probably pick on up on ebay for half that amount. Or, spend $200 and get the BCT15, the Cadillac of analog scanners (IMO).
I don't think there is a "one size fits all" scanner, but these new RS / GRE units do pretty well on balance, with a strong focus on p25 trunking.
Now, about the slow scanning comment...
Are you kidding? These scanners are lighting fast from my experience.
Watch out for the following though:
Conventional: Watch your squelch if you are using squelch codes on the frequencies. If the squelch is too low the scanner will CRAWL through them, at the pace of a wounded snail. Turn it up a bit, and it flies.
TRS's: Watch your hold time. Just set it to zero and be done. If you set it too high the scanner will dwell on a system for far too long.
Does anyone else feel the scanning is slow? I just don't see it...
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ka3jjz
Wiki Admin Emeritus
There's a lot of material here that could go into a wiki article, for sure. Then all the GRE and RS clone scanners could point to the same place, and the more tips that come around, the more useful the article becomes.
This thread looks terrific, but as this forum gets busy, eventually it will slide off the dial and disappear....73 Mike
This thread looks terrific, but as this forum gets busy, eventually it will slide off the dial and disappear....73 Mike
I vote for the PRO-2006 with both hands and both feet. I have 2 here that I think have bad power supply caps, I just haven't bothered to mess with them. Maybe I ought to see if I can get them working again, they are da bomb on high band.
I wonder how the overload situation will change when TV stations kill their analog transmitters next month?
Keeping the squelch away from threshold was specifically called out either in the GRE manual or in the wiki on here to prevent slow scanning. I guess it pops on every channel and pauses as a result.
And the TRS hold time does not need to be longer than the default minimum dwell time. Although the scan marker sent by the trunked system on the control channel can not be relied upon with the various firmware revisions out there.
Very true. The wiki on here looks like it was started before the radios even hit the market and was amended as people fiddled around with their new toys. It could really stand an overhaul and be combined into one wiki for all four models, with a section that specifies the differences for the mobiles and another for the portables. The rest is common among the four scanners. There really should not be four wiki pages, that just leads to problems.
SOFA_KING
Member
I have really put my new PRO-197 through it's paces. Both hand programming and computer programming have been used. I have tried just about everything in both base and mobile applications. Here are my thoughts:
PLUS:
- One of the best sounding radios EVER! Better than many Motorola radios I own. It has a clear soft tone without harshness. Great int speaker. And this scanner can get very loud.
- P25 sounded better than my Motorola XTS3000. They made a real effort here and the AGC works perfect!
- AM modulated signals like CB and the Air bands also sound great! Best I have heard out of a scanner.
- All coded squelch action is perfect with a few deep tweaks. Wisper quiet reverse burst. This sounds like a commercial radio.
- Multi-site trunking! Great idea!!! And it works!
- Squelch and P25 NAC code searching is super quick and rock solid. I have not seen a false yet. What great features!
- If you take the time to tweak the advanced features, you can make this radio perfect. Having custom scan delay on EVERY channel is such a cool thing. It makes the scanner work for your system needs.
- Trunking priority, just like a real Motorola, is the bomb! Now I can hear all of my fire dispatches even when someone is gabbing on another trunk channel. Switches right over.
- WX alert features work very well even while scanning! I use WX Priority set to 10 second samples at a check time of 7 and it works perfect! I can depend on it (and I will here in FL).
- Backlighting and custom alert lighting is a nice touch. I get the right light in the truck and the alert lights quickly tell me who I'm hearing.
- The Object memory idea is very good when you understand the concept. It is also like a Motorola in programming. The idea of assigning to scan lists is the perfect solution for flexibility.
- Favorites List is very functional when you want to trim down your normal scan lists to a "cream of the crop" list to speed things up.
- Lots of memory...more than needed in most cases, but the V folder idea works so well for changing the whole personality of the scanner to do different tasks. If you travle it also works well on the fly.
- The menu system takes a little practice to get the new concept, but then it makes perfect sense and is layed out to be fast and easy to use.
MINUS:
- Receiver overload and desense issues ruin this fine scanner in high RF areas. (I'm working on a solution for this issue now)
- Encrypted P25 transmissions sould be muted! That will drive me nuts on the many channels I listen to where it is mixed with "in the clear" transmissions.
- MDC1200 and OTAR should be muted as well. Commercial radios do it (DOS), so why not use that fine DSP engine to do this simple task?
- If you listen to conventional channels which are both P25 and FM with CTCSS/DCS then you need to enter TWO channels to do both or go CSQ open squelch. (I hate open squelch...too noisy!)
- Search features are great, but most of the time I would like to search for CTCSS/DCS/NAC codes without stopping on CSQ noise...noise that hangs up the search.
- Counter hits are hard to view. Way too much menu work to go through just to check each channel.
One thing you should know about with these "objects"...The order you program them in is the order they scan, so if you started out by putting in only a few channels for the different agencies you listen to, and then added more later...and more at other times, your scan order is all mixed up. I do not like that. There is a fix if you use something like WIN500. You can "reassign" them to put them in order, but it is not easy to bounce them around to get them straight. I did it, but what a headache! Now that I have the order down I can "insert" new objects by pushing up the top objects to make room for the new stuff. Now my scanner scans in the order of my scan lists. It also helps focus on the users in each list and scans faster as you are not bouncing around to different bands all of the time.
Really, there is too much to love about this box to put it down. The audio sound, squelch decoding and reverse burst are top notch. The OOS concept is smart and makes sense once you get used to it (read the manual!). Only a few simple changes would make it perfect, otherwise the scanner is FANTASTIC if you are not in a high RF area. If you are, the receiver gets trashed. That is a shame for such a nice scanner. As far as I can tell, most of the inteference causing the high S meter readings, and de-sense, is by VHF-HI TV stations. I love this scanner so much that I'm willing to buy some RF filtering to fix the problem. So much about the scanner is right. I'm looking at the Diamond MX2000 to duck all of the TV and FM bands. You could use one of these with three dedicated Lo/Hi/Uhf antennas, or two filters back to back for one antenna. That would also give you twice as much isolation...which is fine with me, but we are talking about $150 here for the two filters. If I can clean up the receiver, which is sensitive (good thing), I will be very happy with it. 800 NEXTEL and Cellular desense is also a problem. After rebanding is done I hope to get a good bandpass filter to fix that issue as well. It is too bad GRE did not protect the front end of the receiver with better RF filtering. That may hurt them in the long run.
The two most important firmware features I would appreciate would be P25 encryption muting and MDC1200 and OTAR ducking (DOS...mute for duration). Lets hope GRE is watching and helps us out here. I'm not buying every new scanner that comes out. It has to be a big advancement or a really well done scanner to get me to buy! No "spoon feeding" features here! Just do it right the first time or get out of the business.
Phil
PLUS:
- One of the best sounding radios EVER! Better than many Motorola radios I own. It has a clear soft tone without harshness. Great int speaker. And this scanner can get very loud.
- P25 sounded better than my Motorola XTS3000. They made a real effort here and the AGC works perfect!
- AM modulated signals like CB and the Air bands also sound great! Best I have heard out of a scanner.
- All coded squelch action is perfect with a few deep tweaks. Wisper quiet reverse burst. This sounds like a commercial radio.
- Multi-site trunking! Great idea!!! And it works!
- Squelch and P25 NAC code searching is super quick and rock solid. I have not seen a false yet. What great features!
- If you take the time to tweak the advanced features, you can make this radio perfect. Having custom scan delay on EVERY channel is such a cool thing. It makes the scanner work for your system needs.
- Trunking priority, just like a real Motorola, is the bomb! Now I can hear all of my fire dispatches even when someone is gabbing on another trunk channel. Switches right over.
- WX alert features work very well even while scanning! I use WX Priority set to 10 second samples at a check time of 7 and it works perfect! I can depend on it (and I will here in FL).
- Backlighting and custom alert lighting is a nice touch. I get the right light in the truck and the alert lights quickly tell me who I'm hearing.
- The Object memory idea is very good when you understand the concept. It is also like a Motorola in programming. The idea of assigning to scan lists is the perfect solution for flexibility.
- Favorites List is very functional when you want to trim down your normal scan lists to a "cream of the crop" list to speed things up.
- Lots of memory...more than needed in most cases, but the V folder idea works so well for changing the whole personality of the scanner to do different tasks. If you travle it also works well on the fly.
- The menu system takes a little practice to get the new concept, but then it makes perfect sense and is layed out to be fast and easy to use.
MINUS:
- Receiver overload and desense issues ruin this fine scanner in high RF areas. (I'm working on a solution for this issue now)
- Encrypted P25 transmissions sould be muted! That will drive me nuts on the many channels I listen to where it is mixed with "in the clear" transmissions.
- MDC1200 and OTAR should be muted as well. Commercial radios do it (DOS), so why not use that fine DSP engine to do this simple task?
- If you listen to conventional channels which are both P25 and FM with CTCSS/DCS then you need to enter TWO channels to do both or go CSQ open squelch. (I hate open squelch...too noisy!)
- Search features are great, but most of the time I would like to search for CTCSS/DCS/NAC codes without stopping on CSQ noise...noise that hangs up the search.
- Counter hits are hard to view. Way too much menu work to go through just to check each channel.
One thing you should know about with these "objects"...The order you program them in is the order they scan, so if you started out by putting in only a few channels for the different agencies you listen to, and then added more later...and more at other times, your scan order is all mixed up. I do not like that. There is a fix if you use something like WIN500. You can "reassign" them to put them in order, but it is not easy to bounce them around to get them straight. I did it, but what a headache! Now that I have the order down I can "insert" new objects by pushing up the top objects to make room for the new stuff. Now my scanner scans in the order of my scan lists. It also helps focus on the users in each list and scans faster as you are not bouncing around to different bands all of the time.
Really, there is too much to love about this box to put it down. The audio sound, squelch decoding and reverse burst are top notch. The OOS concept is smart and makes sense once you get used to it (read the manual!). Only a few simple changes would make it perfect, otherwise the scanner is FANTASTIC if you are not in a high RF area. If you are, the receiver gets trashed. That is a shame for such a nice scanner. As far as I can tell, most of the inteference causing the high S meter readings, and de-sense, is by VHF-HI TV stations. I love this scanner so much that I'm willing to buy some RF filtering to fix the problem. So much about the scanner is right. I'm looking at the Diamond MX2000 to duck all of the TV and FM bands. You could use one of these with three dedicated Lo/Hi/Uhf antennas, or two filters back to back for one antenna. That would also give you twice as much isolation...which is fine with me, but we are talking about $150 here for the two filters. If I can clean up the receiver, which is sensitive (good thing), I will be very happy with it. 800 NEXTEL and Cellular desense is also a problem. After rebanding is done I hope to get a good bandpass filter to fix that issue as well. It is too bad GRE did not protect the front end of the receiver with better RF filtering. That may hurt them in the long run.
The two most important firmware features I would appreciate would be P25 encryption muting and MDC1200 and OTAR ducking (DOS...mute for duration). Lets hope GRE is watching and helps us out here. I'm not buying every new scanner that comes out. It has to be a big advancement or a really well done scanner to get me to buy! No "spoon feeding" features here! Just do it right the first time or get out of the business.
Phil
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PHOENIX_SCANNER
Member
Good review, and I agree with you on most every point. Front end overload is the big weakness.
Since all my local TG's that use encryption use ONLY encryption, this is never an issue for me, but man would it be if the TG's had mixed traffic. Great point there.
As far as filtering to eliminate VHF tv interference, take heart. In another month almost all VHF tv transmitters are going to go off air. Most digital tv is in UHF.
Since all my local TG's that use encryption use ONLY encryption, this is never an issue for me, but man would it be if the TG's had mixed traffic. Great point there.
As far as filtering to eliminate VHF tv interference, take heart. In another month almost all VHF tv transmitters are going to go off air. Most digital tv is in UHF.
Unfortunately I haven't kept up on the DTV stuff. I thought channels 2-6 (54-88 mhz) were going to be completely dead but that channels 7-13 (174-216 mhz) may or may not. Again, I haven't been following.
Can you confirm? If my local channel 9 will not be broadcasting anything on 190 mhz, then that is going to help me out tremendously.
<dont confirm here - dont' want to hijack this thread - I found my answer and it wasn't good>
Mike
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SOFA_KING
Member
I wish my VHF TV was going away!
It looks like a few are holding out on VHF even after the transition. A great resource for this info (if you don't already know) is "www.tvfool.com". Just put in your zip code and tell the search engine you are at 500' AAT and check out all the stations in your area and beyond! Some stations are even staying on or moving to VHF LOW! Now that should make for some good DX with PSIP on the digital signals. No question as to what you are seeing. Also check out the DX fans over on the AVS Forum...lots of cool things being talked about over there.
Phil
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ka3jjz
Wiki Admin Emeritus
Yes, it's a bit too scattered. It makes it rather hard to find one specific topic. I think we'll start by migrating all the tips currently in the wiki to a central article this week. Let's get everything to a single article to start, then we can examine it to see how it can be split off into seperate articles. That's how the Uniden DMA FAQ is built. That architecture can grow as folks learn more.
Once the article is ready, folks can start adding their comments and observations.
73 Mike
PHOENIX_SCANNER
Member
Sorry to hear about your bad fortune with the stations staying VHF after transition.
I am lucky that all but one (in a large tv market) are moving up to UHF, and just figured it would be the same elsewhere.
Now I am confused though. I thought a big selling point of this whole transition was that the band formerly used by VHF TV was going to be available now for other uses. If it is hit and miss all over the spectrum, what the heck was the point? Yeah, I know about the advantages of DTV, my antenna has been up for a while and all my tv's have a digital tuner with digital signal from the antenna coming in and I enjoy the sub-channels and 1080i picture and all, but what happened to the "Freeing up of spectrum" thing? Shouldn't all of the TV stations have been packed tightly in one little chunk of UHF since they no longer have to worry about overlap from a wideband analog transmission?
On a very related note, take a look at the "DTV" or "HDTV" antennas being sold. They are single / multi-bay UHF antennas. These obviously won't be optimal for VHF or much less VHF LO! It seems the antenna makers were under the same impression I was. It looks like those old school "big boy" TV antennas will still be needed after all (for some on the fringe trying to get VHF digital TV).
I am lucky that all but one (in a large tv market) are moving up to UHF, and just figured it would be the same elsewhere.
Now I am confused though. I thought a big selling point of this whole transition was that the band formerly used by VHF TV was going to be available now for other uses. If it is hit and miss all over the spectrum, what the heck was the point? Yeah, I know about the advantages of DTV, my antenna has been up for a while and all my tv's have a digital tuner with digital signal from the antenna coming in and I enjoy the sub-channels and 1080i picture and all, but what happened to the "Freeing up of spectrum" thing? Shouldn't all of the TV stations have been packed tightly in one little chunk of UHF since they no longer have to worry about overlap from a wideband analog transmission?
On a very related note, take a look at the "DTV" or "HDTV" antennas being sold. They are single / multi-bay UHF antennas. These obviously won't be optimal for VHF or much less VHF LO! It seems the antenna makers were under the same impression I was. It looks like those old school "big boy" TV antennas will still be needed after all (for some on the fringe trying to get VHF digital TV).
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zzdiesel
Member
I heard on the news that some TV stations will stay analog for awhile to pass along public service announcements & etc for the ones who don't upgrade for whatever reason(s)
SOFA_KING
Member
That is what most have hoped for, but the station engineers know that VHF works better in some areas than UHF...just like we know. VHF goes the distance and UHF has multi-path issues that cause high BER at some locations. Low band works in hilly areas better than anything. Most are going to channel 5 or 6, but some are going to ch 2,3 and 4. Check out this TV FOOL tool. Besides, what would become of the old spectrum? Cordless phones and baby monitors? :roll: The FCC is not doing a good job managing spectrum these days.
http://www.tvfool.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29
Phil
n5usr
Member
The band they were interested in was the 700MHz band. That's where they got rid of the older TV channels (52 through 69).
Having had the 197 two weeks now, I have to give it a B- grade overall. Digital, after restoring the extended settings in Win500, is pretty good. It still needs some tweaking, but it's not bad at all. I wish I could say the same on VHF. It's not good at all. I have a problem with a couple of VHF PS transmitters keying up and causing the 197's squelch to open, and a sputtering hash comes out of the speaker. It's annoying as hell, as it seems to pop up just as something good is happening on another VHF band channel, and the hash covers up almost everything on VHF. It's a shame, since the 197 does a great job on 400MHZ and 800 too. The audio is great, and the speed (Don't understand the comments it scans slowly at all) is too. With a little switchable filtering inside it, it could have been near perfect.
At this point, I'm looking at buying another Icom IC-2100 or IC-2200 (2 meter mobiles), that blow away any scanner I have used on railband or VHF, and dedicate one to VHF PS stuff, and the other to railband. They are cheap, have good clean audio (Especially with an external speaker), and are immune to the transmitters that trash the 197. About the only negatives they have is pretty slow scan speed. I can live with that.
At this point, I'm looking at buying another Icom IC-2100 or IC-2200 (2 meter mobiles), that blow away any scanner I have used on railband or VHF, and dedicate one to VHF PS stuff, and the other to railband. They are cheap, have good clean audio (Especially with an external speaker), and are immune to the transmitters that trash the 197. About the only negatives they have is pretty slow scan speed. I can live with that.
PHOENIX_SCANNER
Member
The 197 sounds like a dream come true for those trying to pick up VHF on the fringes, but it seems universal that the front end gets trashed on VHF in high RF areas. It looks like a lot of notch filters will be sold for these radios.
As far as what to do with VHF HI, it could be used in the same way the other parts of the spectrum are. It could be used for P25 trunking just the same as 800mhz. It is already used for P25 conventional stuff like federal government systems, and the Texas DPS. VHF has a lot going for it and would be a treasure with some of the garbage removed from that part of the spectrum.
Our local FD swears by their old VHF simplex system, and have so far refused to adopt the mega-bucks PRWN system which uses a dozen or so simulcast sites and which cost millions that helped put the City of Phoenix in the red, and left us begging for loans to bail out or local government. They HATE the new 800 mhz digital system and consider it a threat to their safety. I think a lot of cities / counties / states didn't really realize the tradeoffs going to 800 mhz P25 trunking. It wasn't all good news, as many are finding out.
As far as what to do with VHF HI, it could be used in the same way the other parts of the spectrum are. It could be used for P25 trunking just the same as 800mhz. It is already used for P25 conventional stuff like federal government systems, and the Texas DPS. VHF has a lot going for it and would be a treasure with some of the garbage removed from that part of the spectrum.
Our local FD swears by their old VHF simplex system, and have so far refused to adopt the mega-bucks PRWN system which uses a dozen or so simulcast sites and which cost millions that helped put the City of Phoenix in the red, and left us begging for loans to bail out or local government. They HATE the new 800 mhz digital system and consider it a threat to their safety. I think a lot of cities / counties / states didn't really realize the tradeoffs going to 800 mhz P25 trunking. It wasn't all good news, as many are finding out.
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iMONITOR
Silent Key
I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. I have two PRO-197's sitting on my desk in my office with Radio Shack RS-800 antennas on the back. I'm able to receive just about anything I want, in all bands, clearly with no overload issues at all.
I live in S.E. Michigan, Northern Macomb County. I'm not in a BIG city, but it's still an area saturated with RF from all types in all directions. We have cell towers everywhere, a military base near by, tons of public service. The MPSCS P25 simulcast system that Macomb County uses works flawlessly on these radios. I was going to put up a new outside antenna but I don't think its necessary.
I've tried every digital scanner sold by Uniden, GRE, and Radio Shack, and I think the PRO-197 and PRO-106's have performed the best out of all of them (for me).
I live in S.E. Michigan, Northern Macomb County. I'm not in a BIG city, but it's still an area saturated with RF from all types in all directions. We have cell towers everywhere, a military base near by, tons of public service. The MPSCS P25 simulcast system that Macomb County uses works flawlessly on these radios. I was going to put up a new outside antenna but I don't think its necessary.
I've tried every digital scanner sold by Uniden, GRE, and Radio Shack, and I think the PRO-197 and PRO-106's have performed the best out of all of them (for me).
All the postings in this section on the 197/106 are right on the money, this is one marvel of radio's from GRE...I have not picked up my 396 since purchasing these...I live just SW of Chicago and listen to the ILL-Starcom 700/800 digital system...The 197 is flawless on Starcom, im just amazed at how the "multi-cast" trunking was a problem on the Unidens and now on GRE/RS is 99.9% perfect...I have also a GRE500 and on the same antenna (ChannelMaster5094A W/9913 coax) the 197 is "better" than the GRE500??...Audio, digital decode, is fantastic....Every thing written by you guys is correct on these GRE/RS scanners...I live five blocks from a hospital, some "intermod" on the VHF but im able to bring that under control with PL and when and when not to use the "ATTEN"....I use two RS 25-1.3 attic antennas and they loose a little signal but also loose the "intermod" (weather bureau jumping in)....You would think RShack would have a "pile' of these scanners after how they FLEW out of the warehouse.....
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