Programming a PRO-96

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Hi all...awesome site.

The problem I'm asking for assistance with concerns a PRO-96. I have one secondhand that I would like to:

A - clear the programming but not the firmware, as I've been able to determine through this forum that the firmware is up to date

B - Program a bank for SERESA, in Macomb County, MI

C - Program a bank for frequencies associated with St. Clair County, MI

I think that the automatic response will be to go to the Programming Shortcut page on the RR Wiki. I've done so, and am confused by the entire process. I should note that I don't have a cable, and will be doing this manually. I'm usually pretty good with this stuff, but this scanner has me stumped. Can anyone offer assistance here, or by PMing me? Thanks in advance...

Matt
 

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Matt, I have a GREat idea for you that you may well want to highly consider doing ;)

1) Check to see if any of your Radio Shacks have the old PC/IF USB Cables (20-047) less than $9
2) Download a 30-day free trial of programming software WIN96 for the Pro-96 from starrsoft.com .
3) If you are also a premium RR member you can also do a direct RR BD inport of what you want.
4) Once you see everything all laid out on the PC screen your learning curve will increase a warp speed!
 
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Michael,

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll call around tomorrow to the local RSs and see if they're available.

Where did you get the $9 price? I did some search on RS.com and eBay and the like this evening, and I'm looking at around $40 at all vendors. Please advise, and I thank you for the assistance.

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Well Matt, the reason you are not finding the older USB PC/IF Cable (20-047) is because it's
status is long marked as discontinued and therefore it no longer lists on RadioShack.com.
Yes, you will find the newer USB PC/IF Cable (20-0546) ($40) that replaced the older (20-047).
Now I suggested this older cable to save you money and keep things on a budget if you will ;)
However, the reason these older cables went disco is that Windows 7 & up was not supported.
The older cables package indicates that it only supports Win98, ME, 2000, XP & Vista versions.

ps ~ Do note that at Radio Shack Corporate (Not Dealer Type) only, once a product goes disco
status, the price will drop down at different rates between stores. We have stores in SATX that
have these older orange see through module cased USB PC/IF Cables from say $4.97 to $7.97.
The newer USB PC/IF Cables (20-546) have a smaller black module housing it's circuitry, etc.

btw ~ On a side note, since GRE made these cables for RS, I guess these may dry up as well ?
 
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Good information! My fingers will do the walking in the morning. Hopefully I'll be able to locate a store that has an older cable sitting around in the back. Again, thanks for the info.

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Well Matt, the reason you are not finding the older USB PC/IF Cable (20-047) is because it's
status is long marked as discontinued and therefore it no longer lists on RadioShack.com.
Yes, you will find the newer USB PC/IF Cable (20-0546) ($40) that replaced the older (20-047).
Now I suggested this older cable to save you money and keep things on a budget if you will ;)
However, the reason these older cables went disco is that Windows 7 & up was not supported.
The older cables package indicates that it only supports Win98, ME, 2000, XP & Vista versions.

ps ~ Do note that at Radio Shack Corporate (Not Dealer Type) only, once a product goes disco
status, the price will drop down at different rates between stores. We have stores in SATX that
have these older orange see through module cased USB PC/IF Cables from say $4.97 to $7.97.
The newer USB PC/IF Cables (20-546) have a smaller black module housing it's circuitry, etc.

btw ~ On a side note, since GRE made these cables for RS, I guess these may dry up as well ?


Strange??? My 20-047 cable works fine on my Windows 7 64bit machine
 
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Thanks for all the help so far. I really do appreciate it.

I now, after an exhaustive search, have the programming cable. I have Win96 downloaded and installed. The scanner and laptop are uploading and downloading with no trouble.

Now I need help with Win96. I've picked up so far that under the Channels tab is where I want to be to enter the freqs and talkgroup IDs. I've also picked up that the P25 control channels (everything I want programmed is on the MPSCS) go on the left, and that the talkgroup IDs go on the bottom right.

My question concerns the talkgroup IDs part of Win96. There are options for 0-4 with specific ON checkboxes for each at the bottom left. Are those specific talkgroup banks, and if so, on the scanner itself, is there a way to say, for example, allow 0 and 2 to be open and lock out 1, 3, and 4?

Just so you know where I'm going with this, I want Bank 0 to be programmed with the SERESA freqs in the MPSCS system. I'd like that 0 talkgroup (if I'm referencing this wrong, please correct me) in the 0 bank to be the 5 SERESA IDs that are in the database. SERESA comprises the cities of Eastpointe, Roseville and St. Clair Shores, so I would then like to make the 1 talkgroup in the 0 bank to be the other Eastpointe IDs in the database, 2 talkgroup Roseville and 3 talkgroup St. Clair Shores, as each city has their own IDs on the MPSCS. Having said that, I'd like to be able to tell the scanner operator how to turn off those individual talkgroups if they just want to listen to say, Roseville.

I hope I've explained myself enough. Again, thanks for all the help!

Matt
 

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Matt, I'm glad that you found a PC/IF USB Cable and that you have 2-way communication with your Pro-96.

Michigan Public Safety Communications System (MPSCS) Trunking System, Statewide, Multi-State - Scanner Frequencies
( So I am lQQking at your system here correct ? )

When you say "SERESA" freqs ? Hmm, what site would that be ? I don't see a site with that name.
Matt, please look over the many sites/counties listed and see what's closest to you and tell us ... ?
In WIN96 don't forget to enter ALL site freqs and NOT just control channels as they many change
from one day to the next, it's best to enter all that sites freqs in your Bank # 0 if you want for example.
Important Points, Check the box marked "Closed" so you only will hear TG's you enter in the lower right
otherwise you will heat every talkgroup on the tower site and not just the agency you want to monitor.
Next Point, just to the right of the "closed checkbox" it the "Type" drop down box - you'll pick "MOT".
You have10 banks, each bank having 5 sub-bank areas that can hold 30 TG's each(150 total in bank#0)
I suggest you plan out what you want to hear on a scratch piece of paper to get a big picture strategy.
It might just be that once you layout your Bank #0 with the site freqs you selected and can RX it's CC'
that you end up using copy and paste to have the same info in your Pro-96's next few banks. The only
thing different in each of your banks might be what agency talkgroups you want to enter in the lower
right area of WIN96 talkgroup section. As far as you first idea of toggling On and Off sub-banks of TG's
that is more trouble to do so on the fly. Depending on the amount of systems and agencies you want to
cram into your scanner is what might make up your mind as how best to proceed. It is far easier
while scanning to simply press a bank number to turn on or off a set of talkgroups. But if you must
go lQQk at your owners manual to see the key stroke proceedure to toggle sub-banks while scanning.

I gather that this is a doulbe learning curve as you seem to be the programmer and the actual operator
will be a different person am I correct? OK, sorry I am responding back so late, lots to do and so little time.
I'll bet that now that your are working with WIN96 and seeing everything laid out on your PC screen
that your own learning curve is shooting up the the roof by now and making more sense to you right ?

example ~ If you lived in Lansing (Ingham County) your Bank #0 frequency alpha tags might look like this:

1 (1) 002 (2) Lansing Ingham 866.46250 866.83750 867.27500 867.46250 867.96250 868.20000 868.46250

LansingTRS-1 866.46250 MOT
LansingTRS-2 866.83750 MOT
LansingTRS-3 867.27500 MOT
LansingTRS-4 867.46250 MOT
LansingTRS-5 867.96250 MOT
LansingTRS-6 868.20000 MOT
LansingTRS-7 868.46250 MOT

Talkgroups might look like this:
(Sub-Bank #0 TG's)
Lansing PD-1 1210
Lansing Ops1 1264
Lansing Ops2 1265
Lansing Ops3 1266

(Sub-Bank #1 TG's)
Lansing FD-1 1113
Lansing FG-2 1114
Lansing FG-3 1115
Hazmat/EMS 1116
MutualAidAll 1180


Matt, This way your are maximizing the usefull info on the Pro-96 LCD screen, what site and talkgroup.
I don't like the AlphaTagging scheme that is in the database, it may just be how the actual PS radios
are programmed, but it's to cryptic for me, myself I preffer much more logical alpha tags to be concise.
Good Luck ... keep at it and BACK UP OFTEN WHILE PROGRAMMING just in case WIN96 shuts) !
 
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All Set Now...

Michael,

Awesome, AWESOME information. You are correct in saying that my learning curve went straight up with the software. I understand and comprehend everything you replied with.

To clarify, the SERESA talkgroups are listed on the MPSCS page under 'Macomb County SERESA.' I've already turned the scanner over to the operator. I just went ahead and scrapped the sub-bank idea (turning them on and off) and programmed each bank to correspond to each city, with the sub banks holding the talkgroups that I want each bank to correspond to. I also put meaningful descriptions of each talkgroup in the sub banks with the allotted character space. I set the banks to closed.

The only thing I didn't do when programming the scanner is put all the control channels in the individual banks. I only programmed the main and alternate control channels for Macomb County according to the database, which is where the scanner will be located. I don't see it being that much work to add the rest of the channels, so that's something I may do in the future.

Again, I appreciate your, and every else's, help with this. Great forum.

Matt
 

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Sounds GREat Matt,

I take it that you programmed in this Macomb County Simulcast site? ( Not the Mt Clemens site)

2 (2) 019 (13) Macomb County Simulcast Macomb 866.06250 866.13750 866.18750 866.37500 866.42500 866.43750 866.65000
866.76250 866.90000 866.98750 867.38750 867.48750 867.65000 867.67500
867.73750 867.98750 868.26250a 868.98750c

btw ~ For extra credit you can backup the working config into one of the Pro-96's virtual folders in case your user messes up your work ?
To Backup your handy work: Press keys PGM, Func, PGM, Store, 0, Enter, Enter to overwrite whatevers in V-Folder # 0 (Smart Move)
 
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