BCD436HP/BCD536HP: Project 25 Phase II programing

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I have a BCD536HP and am trying to program a Project 25 Phase II system with the ARC536Basic software. Tried multiple steps but am not having any luck. Does anyone know what to use for System Type? Do any of the other fields need to be changed? I have entered the four control frequencies. Do I need to add any more? Any help with this would be greatly appreciated!
 

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What exactly does not having any luck mean? In sentinel I use p25 trunk. Maybe link the system as it may need to be set up differently
Not hearing any traffic, while regular Project 25 systems work fine. Looking for any help from someone who has been successful in programming a Phase 2 system with the ARC software. Thanks!
 
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No luck means not hearing any traffic. Just looking for any help from someone who has been successful in programming a Phase 2 system with the ARC software. Thanks!
How about a link to the system you are trying to program.

You're a Premium Subscriber, so if you are using ARC536, it should import your system as the correct type if you follow the correct importing steps. If you are "not hearing anything", one of the most likely reasons is that if you imported the system into the software, you did not let it import 'all' of the data it needs to monitor the system. If it is a P25 Phase II system, your correct system type when programmed is "P25 Trunk". That is used whether it is a Phase I, or a Phase 2 system.

Using that system type, you also need to program the sites as well as the talkgroups of interest. If it is a statewide, or large regional system, you need the sites and departments that are in range for you. If you are using location control, be sure that you have your correct, current, location set in the profile. If ARC536 does not have a specific Profile Editor, then set that in Sentinel. (I don't have the ARC software; I use ProScan. ProScan does not use a separate Profile Editor. Instead, it uses what you have set in Sentinel.) Have you installed Sentinel & set a location and range in Sentinel, as well as updated the master database? If you are using the ARC software for importing, it should be importing both the system information as well as location data,

Besides range and location settings (if your Favorites list is using 'Location Control'), verify that you have the Service Types of interest activated. When the scanner is shipped, as well as when Sentinel is first installed, the only Service Type that are active are Dispatch, for Law, Fire, EMS, & 'Multi'. You also need the Tactical & Talk service types for those services to be active as well, i.e. 'Law Talk', 'Fire Tac', 'EMS Talk', etc.

If you are getting a "Nothing to Scan" error message, review the details on what to check & correct as noted in this Wiki page.
 

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I have ARC536 also. Please attach your .hpd programming file so we can take a look at it. You will need to zip the file to be able to attach it. Click on Attach files and open the zipped file. It would help to know your city or town, county, and state and the system you are trying to monitor.
 

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Not hearing any traffic, while regular Project 25 systems work fine. Looking for any help from someone who has been successful in programming a Phase 2 system with the ARC software. Thanks!
Usually one or more of the 3 common issues below. Unfortunately my crystal ball's been out for repair for a while now so I can't say for sure without an RRDB link.
Looking for any help from someone who has been successful in programming a Phase 2 system with the ARC software. Thanks!
The app you used to program may or may not be relevant to the issue(s) at hand...
Welcome to the RR forums, specific info goes a long way to help us help you. Please reply back with specific system(s), site(s) & agencies you're monitoring so we can get a clearer picture of what may be happening
 
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I have a BCD536HP and am trying to program a Project 25 Phase II system with the ARC536Basic software. Tried multiple steps but am not having any luck. Does anyone know what to use for System Type? Do any of the other fields need to be changed? I have entered the four control frequencies. Do I need to add any more? Any help with this would be greatly appreciated!
If you would like some assistance, provide details please.
 

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Thanks for the replies. I am trying to program the Pitt County, NC 700 MHz system. Pitt County Trunking System, Greenville, North Carolina. Attached is the hpd file.
There are a numbers of errors in your file.

First System:
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All of the talkgroups under the Pitt/Fire Department are "Avoided" (locked out), as indicated by their red color.

Also, those talkgroups in that Department, Pitt/Fire Department, are not in Viper at all. Instead, they are used on the PItt County Trunking System.

The talkgroups listed under Pitt County, such as PCC PD, TGID 37502, are used on Viper, associated with Viper site Greenville:
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However, you have all of these listed under Service Type Custom 1. That type is enabled by default, when the scanner is shipped, and when Sentinel is first installed, but they are in the database under their correct service types, such as Law Dispatch, Law Tach, Fire Dispatch, etc. You did not use a couple of the listed talkgroups, but I have imported all of them, under their existing service types. Verify, in your Sentinel profile, that in addition to the Dispatch public safety call types, you also have Tac & Talk service types enabled; i.e. Law-Tac, Law-Talk, Fire-Tac, etc.

I have included the NCSHP Troop A department as well, which is associated with the same Viper site. The site was imported with all of the site frequencies. While you only need the control channels frequencies, I have included all, just in case, at some point, a different frequency is used as the control.

For the Pitt County system, I have imported it's site, as well as the TGIDs associated with it.
Note that the site for that system is simulcast, which can cause problems for scanners other than Uniden's SDS series. Whether you actually do, or do not, have problems monitoring the system is extremely location related. If you are in an area where you are only getting the signal from one of the site towers, or close enough to a site so that it's string signal washes out conflicting data from other sites, you might have no trouble at all. Or, if in the 'wrong' place, you may get nothing at all, or everything so garbled that nothing is understandable. Read more about Simulcast Distortion, and what steps you might be able to take to counteract issues in this Wiki article: Simulcast digital distortion - The RadioReference Wiki

There are a handful of conventional frequencies listed for Pitt County. I have included those in the attached file as well. This is an *.hpe file, which you can import into Sentinel. ProScan can also import that specific file type. As I don't have the ARC software, I do not know if you can open the file with ARC536, or if you need to import into Sentinel first.

Note that the system type, P25 Trunk, is used for both P25 Phase I as well as P25 Phase II. The scanner will use the correct process for either talkgroup type. Some systems, though listed in the database, are listed as P25 Phase II, actually have both Phase I as well as Phase II talkgroups in the system. The scanner handles these correctly, as long as the system is programmed as P25 Trunk.
 

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As mentioned above & as I surmised in post #9, even after getting your programming issues ironed out, Simulcast Distortion will likely be an issue for you depending on where you're located in relation to two or more towers on the Pitt Simulcast. Feel free to try the multipath mitigation measures in the wiki I and others linked, you may or may not find one that works for you but a Uniden SDS100 or SDS200 are the preferred scanners to use for monitoring simulcast systems. Talkgroup-wise for what has been ID'ed in the RRDB, encryption shouldn't be a factor
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A couple of things I see with your file: You have the VIPER system in twice scanning the same Greenville site. That can result in clipped and missed transmissions. Add another department to the Pitt County (VIPER) system for the Troop A talkgroups and delete the system with Troop A only. You can delete the LCN's. P25 systems do not use them. As stated earlier, all of the talkgroups in the Pitt EMS/Fire department (Pitt County system) are avoided. Set the Avoids to Off. I would also set the Audio Type for all of the talkgroups to Digital. Check that all of the Service Types in the scanner are enabled. Custom 1 must be included.
 
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