Purchased Key Codes for DMR, NXDN and Provoice.

[Marky102770]

I just got a Brand New SDS200 as a gift and I registered it and Purchased all three Keys for DMR, NXDN and Provoice.. could I use them same codes for my old BCD436HP If I register that as well or would Uniden make me repay for each key code? I was concerned because I had to put the serial # in when I registered it. I would hope it would work like any software you purchase for your computer such as antivirus software, Microsoft word, etc. Any thoughts?

 

[KevinC]

Each radio requires its own keys as Uniden pays royalties on a per radio basis.

 

[Marky102770]

Each radio requires its own keys as Uniden pays royalties on a per radio basis.

I cant speak on Provoice which is almost obsolete or NXDN. but I doubt Uniden pays DMR for each radio because whistler scanners get DMR for free. once it was available, all I had to do was update the firmware and it was there. so as far as royalties, that has to be incorrect because we would have to pay Motorola for royalties and scanners come with EDACS already and all provoice is is a digital EDACS. Motorola didn't charge when they went digital (APCO25)

 

[KevinC]

I cant speak on Provoice which is almost obsolete or NXDN. but I doubt Uniden pays DMR for each radio because whistler scanners get DMR for free. once it was available, all I had to do was update the firmware and it was there. so as far as royalties, that has to be incorrect because we would have to pay Motorola for royalties and scanners come with EDACS already and all provoice is is a digital EDACS. Motorola didn't charge when they went digital (APCO25)

Ok

 

[marksmith]

The fact you had to enter a serial number was the big hint. The codes only unlock those capabilities on the identified radio.

Mark
SDS100&200/536/436/WS1095/996p2/996xt/325p2/396xt/psr800/396t/HP-1/HP-2 & others

 

[SteveSimpkin]

I cant speak on Provoice which is almost obsolete or NXDN. but I doubt Uniden pays DMR for each radio because whistler scanners get DMR for free. once it was available, all I had to do was update the firmware and it was there. so as far as royalties, that has to be incorrect because we would have to pay Motorola for royalties and scanners come with EDACS already and all provoice is is a digital EDACS. Motorola didn't charge when they went digital (APCO25)

Uniden does pay royalties to Motorola for their patents related to DMR.
https://forums.radioreference.com/t...harging-for-dmr-provoice.351678/#post-2750282

 

[mule1075]

I cant speak on Provoice which is almost obsolete or NXDN. but I doubt Uniden pays DMR for each radio because whistler scanners get DMR for free. once it was available, all I had to do was update the firmware and it was there. so as far as royalties, that has to be incorrect because we would have to pay Motorola for royalties and scanners come with EDACS already and all provoice is is a digital EDACS. Motorola didn't charge when they went digital (APCO25)

Yes indeed they do.

 

[hiegtx]

And royalties are paid, per upgraded scanner for both NXDN and ProVoice. The keys are for the specific radio registered, based on the serial number, and are not usable in any other scanner whether the same, or a differen, model.

While ProVoice is unique to EDACS ssytems, merely being able to track an EDACS system does not mean the scanner can decode ProVoice.

 

[slicerwizard]

I cant speak on Provoice which is almost obsolete or NXDN. but I doubt Uniden pays DMR for each radio because whistler scanners get DMR for free. once it was available, all I had to do was update the firmware and it was there. so as far as royalties, that has to be incorrect because we would have to pay Motorola for royalties and scanners come with EDACS already and all provoice is is a digital EDACS. Motorola didn't charge when they went digital (APCO25)

Pretty sure that every single thing you wrote there is incorrect. How do you know what was or wasn't paid for any digital voice mode or trunking protocol?

 

[Marky102770]

Pretty sure that every single thing you wrote there is incorrect. How do you know what was or wasn't paid for any digital voice mode or trunking protocol?

Well I didn't pay for DMR for my whistler when it was available for scanners. I had a gre800 and a whistler brand and they don't charge the customers...FACT. also Pro-voice is a digital EDACS and is almost obsolete. don't take my word for it, search for pro-voice systems yourself and tell me how many you find nationwide. they may not be available for free or available at all on whistler but they are not many of the Pro voice systems in the US, only 2 in MD none in PA or NJ except for PA / NJ Port authority.

Every Motorola trunked system that went digital was never charged to scanner user... at least no radio shack scanner never charged anybody for it. We just had to buy the new Pro-96 to receive the APCO25.
If radio shack didn't go out of business, most likely DMR and NXDN would been included in the price and Uniden/BC would have been crap like they always were until RadioShack Stopped making them when they went out of business.

 

[iMONITOR]

I just got a Brand New SDS200 as a gift

Nice gift! Look at it this way, you're $700.00 ahead of everyone who bought a SDS200!

 

[Marky102770]

And royalties are paid, per upgraded scanner for both NXDN and ProVoice. The keys are for the specific radio registered, based on the serial number, and are not usable in any other scanner whether the same, or a differen, model.

While ProVoice is unique to EDACS ssytems, merely being able to track an EDACS system does not mean the scanner can decode ProVoice.

I never said EDACS can decode Pro-voice, I said all Provoice was is a digital voice to EDACS. if you go to Delaware River Port Authority of PA and NJ EDACS Networked Standard, you can monitor the Analog talkgroups but need provoice to monitor the digital channels. I cant speak for ProVoice or NXDN when it comes Uniden paying royalties but I don't believe Uniden pays DMR for each radio. if that was case, why was there no charge for the GRE or even the Whistler TRX-1 and 2 to monitor it? I'm not trying to act like I know everything because believe me, I'm sure you guys know a lot and that's why I originally was just asking if I could put the key code on more than one radio and some how I was basically told I didn't know what I was talking about on things I believed to be true

 

[Marky102770]

Nice gift! Look at it this way, you're $700.00 ahead of everyone who bought a SDS200!

good point. I just think with that price, dmr should be included like Whistler. even then I think your paying for DMR with what they charge.
but for $700 with the additional $60, at least allow us to put it on 3 different scanners as long as the customer owns all three.

 

[iMONITOR]

good point. I just think with that price, dmr should be included like Whistler. even then I think your paying for DMR with what they charge.
but for $700 with the additional $60, at least allow us to put it on 3 different scanners as long as the customer owns all three.

Even TurboTax was not FREE, FREE, FREE FREE FREE...FREE like they claimed on TV.

But yes it would be nice if the upgrades were free, I certainly wouldn't mind. I was a little bummed to find out they were licensed to the scanner, so if you sold the scanner the upgrade had to go with it. It would have been nice if the upgrade licenses could have been transferred and installed on a different scanner once removed from the first one, but that can't be done either.

 

[Marky102770]

Even TurboTax was not FREE, FREE, FREE FREE FREE...FREE like they claimed on TV.

But yes it would be nice if the upgrades were free, I certainly wouldn't mind. I was a little bummed to find out they were licensed to the scanner, so if you sold the scanner the upgrade had to go with it. It would have been nice if the upgrade licenses could have been transferred and installed on a different scanner once removed from the first one, but that can't be done either.

can the SDS200 Monitor all ProVoice systems? even the "Extended Addressing w/ESK" Cecil County ?

 

[iMONITOR]

can the SDS200 Monitor all ProVoice systems? even the "Extended Addressing w/ESK" Cecil County ?

Sorry can't help you there. I don't own a SDS series scanner.

 

[slicerwizard]

Well I didn't pay for DMR for my whistler when it was available for scanners.

Yeah, and because of that, it doesn't trunk track.

I had a gre800 and a whistler brand and they don't charge the customers...FACT.

Don't charge for what?

also Pro-voice is a digital EDACS and is almost obsolete. don't take my word for it, search for pro-voice systems yourself and tell me how many you find nationwide. they may not be available for free or available at all on whistler but they are not many of the Pro voice systems in the US, only 2 in MD none in PA or NJ except for PA / NJ Port authority.

We all knew years ago that EDACS was obsolete. What point are you trying to make?

Every Motorola trunked system that went digital was never charged to scanner user... at least no radio shack scanner never charged anybody for it.

You don't know that licensing wasn't built into the price of the scanners.

We just had to buy the new Pro-96 to receive the APCO25.
If radio shack didn't go out of business, most likely DMR and NXDN would been included in the price and Uniden/BC would have been crap like they always were until RadioShack Stopped making them when they went out of business.

Still wrong. RS would've either bailed on doing proper trunk tracking (they've done it before) just like Whistler does, or they would've built the licensing costs into the price of the product.

 

[kruser]

I would hope it would work like any software you purchase for your computer such as antivirus software, Microsoft word, etc. Any thoughts?

Most all software you purchase for a computer is licensed for use on that computer only. Read the terms.
Some things like AV software may be sold in "3 packs" for three computers total but otherwise, software is licensed, "never sold" to be used only on the machine it was licensed for.
Read the fine print, it will be in there.
For a period, Microsoft Office allowed an office license to also be allowed to be used on the same persons home computer but I think those days are long gone as well.

Regarding whistler, they are doing things in a shady way. Also, Whistler scanners do NOT trunk track DMR or NXDN trunked systems no matter how many times people here will say they do. Had they paid the royalties and passed those on to the customers, Whistlers would likely trunk track these systems as they should.

 

[KevinC]

Bottom line is the first reply was the correct answer, one separate key for each protocol for each radio.

This has been beaten to death now.