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escortz28

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You may wish to consider the even larger RS-12A (the next model up). After some hours of operation with the IC-R8600 (at 12.2 volt setting) the larger 12A's rear heatsink can still be touched (so be it on the very warm side). It also uses 2 pass transistors (instead of just one).

see : N9EWO Review : Icom IC-R8600 SDR Receiver
I use one RS-12A (at ~13.8V DC) to power my two 8600s and my R75. I leave the RS-12A always on. The RS-12A is on a dedicated 20A Mains circuit I ran for my radios. I typically will run the 8600s at the same time, and with the R75 on occasion. I have not (fortunately) experienced any heat issues including 'warm to touch' with the Icoms or the Astron.
 

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Yeah, the 12A is nice option of course. My thought here is mainly to get the over-voltage crowbar protection, but sure a bigger supply means cooler operation. And more desk space. And maybe 35 years of operation vs 30 with the 7A. :)

But yes, N9EWO has a very good point *especially* for those who have shacks that routinely operate above 77F temp. I'd also recommend feeding the supply, whatever it is, with a Tripp-Lite Isobar.
 

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When I went to HRO Oakland and bought the rig the guy there went and grabbed me this 4A off the shelf, me not giving thought to stuff like what you said. So yeah, I may just do an Oakland run soon and get the 7A.
Also, I'm in the habit of turning off the power supply every time after turning off the rig. Do folks actually leave their supplies on all the time? I've heard this before. I myself don't feel comfortable with that. But the irony that I have no qualms about all the wallwarts around here staying plugged in is strange.
I left my Astrons--a 50a and a 20a--on for more than 5 years without any problems. The only times they were off? The occasional power outages: blown on-ground transformers, lightning strikes and cars wiping out power poles in the area.
 

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Those infrequent accidental power cycles are actually helping the caps. :)

My experience with other gear that gets plugged in once, and never gets cycled for a decade or more, tends to pop when powered back up as the caps sat at a steady-state of charge that went ESR faster than normal. Broadcast gear mostly.

Not a huge deal.
 

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Appreciate all the feedback guys. Thanks.
I removed my BC785D from the top of the R8600 back to its other spot on the desk so now she's wide open. I guess all you guys out there don't have the kind of heat I described with mine. Like I said before, I think it may be a subtle increase in and subsequent accumulation of, a little more heat with my consistant on-audio ops in HF as opposed to many others who are scanning/monitoring with only occasional audio breaking squelch. Just a theory.
 

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One thing I would NOT do with the single-pass-transistor power supplies is set the voltage lower to make the Icom just a tad bit cooler. Why?

That single transistor (basically acting as an electronically controlled resistor), is dumping even more current, getting even hotter than when at the nominal 13.8v. If you wanted to make the transistor run cooler, you'd actually UP the voltage to say 14.0v or so.

So chicken-and-egg dilemna. The problem is that if you DO lose that pass transistor due to running it hotter at a lower regulated voltage, with the smaller supplies having no "crowbar" to protect against the unregulated 18-24v now passing, you could smoke the 8600. And if your Icom is living in a shack over 77F temperature, getting even more closer.

So the first option being the RS-7A with the crowbar - great, at least if you lose the pass transistor, hopefully the crowbar will catch it. But it's still a single transistor unit.

So I guess if one is going to drop voltages, you'd want to go with a dual-transistor setup to dissipate more heat. Although it seems overkill for most, I see why N9EWO likes the 12A model. A possible equivalent to that might be the Tripp-Lite PR15 (the first in the lineup to have the crowbar).

I can see why this might be mind-numbing overkill, but I suppose if one wants to play it so safe with so much riding on the end of the supply, it might make sense.

What can also kill pass transistors? Cleaning up the shack's rat nest of wiring, and scraping a coax shell across the transistor case and the heat sink. Yeah, did that. Interestingly I see the Tripp-Lite PR15 seems to have the transistors mounted with them inside, but still dissipating heat through a rear sink. First time I've seen that. Maybe too many people cleaning up their shack and shorting the transistors. :)
 

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But don't panic! I'd just add layers of protection to the point you feel comfortable with ...

1) Put an Isobar in front of your RS-4A and not adjust the voltage. No crowbar.
2) Put an Isobar in front of an RS-7A. *Maybe* adjust the voltage. Additional crowbar protection.
3) Put an Isobar in front of a dual-transistor Tripp-Lite PR7b. Runs cooler despite 2N3055's. But no crowbar.
4) Put an Isobar in front of an RS12A. Adjust voltage if you like. Alternatively do the same with a Tripp-Lite PR15.

Mind numbing huh? :)
 
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