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Radio Affiliations

ht396jm

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I had a good laugh reading a thread about a guy programming a trunking radio to monitor a system, which ended up getting him jammed up. Guy was trying to monitor only but the radio ended up affiliating with the system and that was the end of that.

Having said that..... if a standard cdm/ht 1250 or similar model is monitoring a conventional system in RX only mode, does that present an issue even remotely similar to affiliating with a trunked radio system? For example, if a mobile radio in town A’s squad car is monitoring town B’s frequency, would there be any way to tell how many users there were that were actively monitoring that given frequency?
 
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I had a good laugh reading a thread about a guy programming a trunking radio to monitor a system, which ended up getting him jammed up. Guy was trying to monitor only but the radio ended up affiliating with the system and that was the end of that.

Having said that..... if a standard cdm/ht 1250 or similar model is monitoring a conventional system in RX only mode, does that present an issue even remotely similar to affiliating with a trunked radio system? For example, if a mobile radio in town A’s squad car is monitoring town B’s frequency, would there be any way to tell how many users there were that were actively monitoring that given frequency?
Only via "social engineering". Say town B dispatcher sends a bunch of their units into a remote corner of Town A and Town B's squads show up.
 

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That's the problem people programing radios to not affiliate with a site don't know what they doing if that red light on that Motorola starts to flicker you got a problem best thing to do when programing it and you have doubt when programing I always set the radio id number to 1 it shouldn't cause a problem with an operator on the system but you need to fix it if it try's to but you need to check and make sure what you done wrong to stop it
 

ht396jm

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That's the problem people programing radios to not affiliate with a site don't know what they doing if that red light on that Motorola starts to flicker you got a problem best thing to do when programing it and you have doubt when programing I always set the radio id number to 1 it shouldn't cause a problem with an operator on the system but you need to fix it if it try's to but you need to check and make sure what you done wrong to stop it
uhhh.....gotcha
 
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While there is a hand shake with LTR and Passport trunking there is NO affiliation like in a smart zone trunking or P25 systems.
CDM's and HT 1250's cannot do smart zone or P25 trunking so your post itself is in question.
 

ht396jm

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While there is a hand shake with LTR and Passport trunking there is NO affiliation like in a smart zone trunking or P25 systems.
CDM's and HT 1250's cannot do smart zone or P25 trunking so your post itself is in question.
I’m not sure what you mean by the “post is in question” part but you answered my question and I thank you. I was asking if conventional set ups have radios that can “affiliate” in any way like trunked systems do.
 

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Analog conventional systems as would be accessible to a CDM/HT1250 type radio typically do not have any kind of registration server, and therefore typically nothing in the way of registration bursts to the system.

Multicast / vote-scan P25 conventional networks often do; larger ones as are used by many federal agencies operate the same type of cores as trunked systems and therefore maintain many of the same databases and core services despite delivering them over conventional architecture, including site access or radio profile information that may require a radio to register to the system to be handled properly.

A more complete answer, I hope.
 

ht396jm

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Analog conventional systems as would be accessible to a CDM/HT1250 type radio typically do not have any kind of registration server, and therefore typically nothing in the way of registration bursts to the system.

Multicast / vote-scan P25 conventional networks often do; larger ones as are used by many federal agencies operate the same type of cores as trunked systems and therefore maintain many of the same databases and core services despite delivering them over conventional architecture, including site access or radio profile information that may require a radio to register to the system to be handled properly.

A more complete answer, I hope.
Thanks for this explanation, much appreciated
 
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GenWatch is great. A certain County admin found a duplicate ID because the legit radio affiliated to one site and the unauthorized radio affiliated to a different site 15 minutes later. And as it was said to me...unless he was in a helicopter, that distance couldn’t be covered in that timeframe. So the legit radio was brought in, given an new ID and the stun command was sent away.

What’s interesting is that most system admins are radio euthiasts just like you and me. Most would love if Motorola built in RX only feature without affiliation. BK radio does it. So does Harris.
 
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While there is a hand shake with LTR and Passport trunking there is NO affiliation like in a smart zone trunking or P25 systems.
Of course there is. As PassPort radios roam between sites, they announce their presence and what talkgroup they're sitting on. That's a registration/affiliation. If they didn't, the system couldn't feed their talkgroup's audio to the various sites or support private calls.
 
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IF a radio is properly set up for NAS it wont need an ID as it should have no way to affiliate and therefore send out an ID .
The code plug must have something plugged into the unit id field in the trunking system and trunking personality. Unless you're just scanning channels in conventional mode, you need to properly program the codeplug with the trunking system, including id.

If you've done NAS properly, it doesn't matter what the id is, the system will never see it, but the codeplug's gotta have one.
 
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