San Antonio Edacs And New Agencys

Status
Not open for further replies.

SCPD

QRT
Joined
Feb 24, 2001
Messages
0
Location
Virginia
Is Bexar County Fire Going To Drop 154.2500 tac-1 153.7700 tac-3
I am Hearing more Fireground on The Edacs Esk System
And I Heard On Safd Ems (3A Alert) Converse Ems With Lid 11387
Christmas Day...

Do Ask How To Listen To System !!!! Thanks................................
 

TXEMT

Member
Joined
Jul 22, 2002
Messages
273
Location
San Antonio
So does Converse just have access to the city system for aid response? And are they still dispatched by Live Oak for there area and for mutual aid for Live Oak,Universal City etc...
 

djm

Member
Joined
Dec 19, 2002
Messages
124
Location
Fredericksburg VA
The_dog said:
Is Bexar County Fire Going To Drop 154.2500 tac-1 153.7700 tac-3
I am Hearing more Fireground on The Edacs Esk System
And I Heard On Safd Ems (3A Alert) Converse Ems With Lid 11387
Christmas Day...

Do Ask How To Listen To System !!!! Thanks................................

How are you monitoring SAFD?

Thanks
 

rattlerbb01

TX/LA Database Admin
Database Admin
Joined
Dec 22, 2004
Messages
2,318
Location
Boerne, Texas
Assuming he doesn't have a radio assigned to him loaded with the ESK, he could have conventionally programmed the voice channels into a personal provoice radio. You can also follow what groups are talking with ETrunker with ESK support and a tapped scanner.

Also, some departments, upon moving comms to a trunk system, keep the VHF paging freq as a simulcast dispatching system to keep all their volunteers or even paid personnel in the know without dispensing out expensive radios or paying monthly fees for alpha pagers..
 

mfn002

Member
Premium Subscriber
Joined
Apr 26, 2006
Messages
2,190
Location
Bryan, Texas
By the way, what would happen to San Antonio's system if the government mandates APCO25?
 

n4voxgill

Silent Key
Joined
Dec 15, 2000
Messages
2,588
Location
New Braunfels, TX
Then the federal government would have to buy San Antonio a new system Federal law requires that mandates be funded in a case like this. No chance in the world this will happen.
 

mfn002

Member
Premium Subscriber
Joined
Apr 26, 2006
Messages
2,190
Location
Bryan, Texas
See post in MACOM trunking forum. Are these new EDACS systems capable of being converted to P25?
 

n4voxgill

Silent Key
Joined
Dec 15, 2000
Messages
2,588
Location
New Braunfels, TX
macom is capable of operating in provioice for normal operations leaving it non-scanable and when they turn to a channel designated for interoperability that the radio will then work in P25. Federal grant money has only strings for interoperability, not daily operations.
 

SCPD

QRT
Joined
Feb 24, 2001
Messages
0
Location
Virginia
mfn002 said:
By the way, what would happen to San Antonio's system if the government mandates APCO25?

Can The Goverment Except Provoice As Apco-25 The It Becomes Public Domain
And Uniden The Can Release A New Digtal Dual-Digtal Scanner

2 When The Market Slows Down Ma/Com Will Let The Cat Out The Bag
So Thay May Release New Products With New Protocols And Keep There
Market Value...
 

n4voxgill

Silent Key
Joined
Dec 15, 2000
Messages
2,588
Location
New Braunfels, TX
hard to figure out exactly what you were saying, but macom hold patents that wouldn't be void just because the government said so. Not even APCO 25 is in the the public domain, anyone producing a radio to work on P25 must pay a license fee to DVSI for a patent they hold on the IMBE vocoder used in P25. Uniden and GRE pay the fee for their scanners.
 

mfn002

Member
Premium Subscriber
Joined
Apr 26, 2006
Messages
2,190
Location
Bryan, Texas
Then, couldn't RS and Uniden pay fees for MACOM systems? Or is MACOM just too paranoid to agree?
These liscensing fees don't seem to drive up the price of the P25 scanners very much...so it wouldn't be that big of a deal from a pricing standpoint to produce an economical ProVoice/OpenSky scanner. Now, from other discussions I have seen on the site about how an OpenSky scanner might sound, even if the decode quality were poor, it would STILL sell because it would simply be a ProVoice/OpenSky scanner...and EVERYBODY would want one of those, even if they are fortunate enough (like me) to live in an area that doesn't use MACOM systems (I remember when I was still a noob scanner listener how panicked I became when I heard that my area was going P25).
 
Last edited:

n4voxgill

Silent Key
Joined
Dec 15, 2000
Messages
2,588
Location
New Braunfels, TX
with the P25 patent by DVSI it adds about half the cost of a digital scanner. This is for use of a patent that is offered very cheaply.

Now look at macom. the best selling point they have is that a city buying their system can keep out scanners at no increased costs. So if macom licensed uniden or gre they would hurt their government business. since macom makes millions off of a big system, they would have to get millions from scanner, to break even. that would probably put the scanner up around 10,000 or maybe even more. A company doesn't cut its own throat.
 

mfn002

Member
Premium Subscriber
Joined
Apr 26, 2006
Messages
2,190
Location
Bryan, Texas
I agree with you. I do suspect, however, that MACOM is probably getting some pressure somewhere to allow scanner manufacturers to use their patents. This pressure is probably comming from the media outlets who have lost their ability to use scanners and are unhappy with the radios that were issued to them. I do honestly think that if there is enough public outcry, MACOM might reconsider their position on scanner listeners. What needs to be done is someone writing a letter to the company outlining the good scanner listeners can do, and how they have helped communities and local agencies. To really get the point home, we should get as many people and groups as possible to sign the letter, sort of like a petition. Admittedly, this may not work, but it would give MACOM a reality check about how unnecicarily paranoid they're being.

Oh, and about the "secure" thing...I've looked at the company website and there's no significant mention of any of their systems being "secure". I honestly think most cities probably don't care about the secure part, but just bought the system simply because MACOM offered a cheaper contract than Motorola. What I did see mentioned, however, was how good the voice quality and reception is. Believe me, they really drive that point home. (My city purchased a Motorola ASTRO system because they were having problems with reception of their VHF system).
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top