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So I've recently started volunteering with an unnamed fire department in Bexar County. I've noticed a VERY interesting thing. Our department is on the San Antonio/Bexar County system and we use the Harris handheld radios and many of our trucks have the Harris radios. BUT.... some of our trucks have Motorola radios with the control heads showing the same radio talkgroups as the Harris/EDACS radios. (I know we also have the ability to patch the EDACS system to the LCRA P25 system.)

So, my question is this.... is the Harris/EDACS system being linked full-time to the LCRA P25 system, the San Antonio UASI system, or something else? Or is there an unlikely possibility that Motorola makes radios compatible with EDACS ProVoice?
 

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So I've recently started volunteering with an unnamed fire department in Bexar County. I've noticed a VERY interesting thing. Our department is on the San Antonio/Bexar County system and we use the Harris handheld radios and many of our trucks have the Harris radios. BUT.... some of our trucks have Motorola radios with the control heads showing the same radio talkgroups as the Harris/EDACS radios. (I know we also have the ability to patch the EDACS system to the LCRA P25 system.)

So, my question is this.... is the Harris/EDACS system being linked full-time to the LCRA P25 system, the San Antonio UASI system, or something else? Or is there an unlikely possibility that Motorola makes radios compatible with EDACS ProVoice?
Is your department in the northeast cities around Randolph or elsewhere in the county? Schertz, Cibolo, Live Oak, U City all use LCRA, but Converse and every other department in the county use EDACS. Could be that the Harris radios affiliate to the EDACS system and the Motos to the SA P25 Overlay, although that would not be a standard set up since they all use EDACS for primary. Is it one or the other in those trucks, or are the Motos second radios?
 

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North central end of Bexar County. The trucks have either an EDACS or a Motorola radio in each. Some also have a VHF radio as well.
 

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I think it is Bexar/Bulverde that uses Bex Fire on LCRA with calls out 281 towards Comal.. they would be closer to Smithson Valley for coverage up that way.
 
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The trucks have either an EDACS or a Motorola radio in each.
Again, just because the radio says HARRIS doesn't necessarily mean it's operating on EDACS. Everything from the M7100/P7100 on can operate on both EDACS/PV and P25 trunking systems, provided they have the features enabled.
 

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Bexar Has Both p25 700 Mhz Phase-1
And EDACS/ESK System they are patched
Some agency's are buying apx8000 radio's
And use the p25 as entry-level and casted
To Edacs
 

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With P25 being active in Bexar county, many agencies are no longer held hostage to Harris equipment. The Feds, DPS, and some locals have been switching to the APX platform from Moto.
Moto wiped the floor with Harris during the equipment evaluation on the new system.
 

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With P25 being active in Bexar county, many agencies are no longer held hostage to Harris equipment. The Feds, DPS, and some locals have been switching to the APX platform from Moto.
Moto wiped the floor with Harris during the equipment evaluation on the new system.
But I thought setting off the emergency when the radio got wet was a feature??? :unsure:
 

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But I thought setting off the emergency when the radio got wet was a feature??? :unsure:
Ha!!!
They kept that same feature on the XL200 along with a whopping 4-5 hour battery life. Every officer has to carry a spare battery to make it through a shift.
 

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Many of the agencies are tied to LCRA system. But SA is dumping EDACS and switching to a P25 system. There is the SA overlay system and it’s always patched through. Most of the agencies are switching to APX for the multiband operation AND for the ADP encryption which most of the counties around Bexar uses. I program for many agencies in the area.
 

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SAPD has been issuing out the Harris XL200 multiband radios for the past few months to patrol guys. I had heard from the SA Fire radio guys that they want and plan on using APX radios when the new system comes online. Also, I have seen Castle Hills PD using the Harris XL200 radios as well as Leon Valley PD. It seems that for the moment law enforcement users on the system are switching to the Harris multiband radio. The P25 phase II system is being built out by Harris so well have to wait and see when the system goes live how many Harris vs Motorola we get. At least San Antonio and Bexar County wise.

The overlay P25 is mainly used by DPS and the feds. An APX has to affiliate with a talk group on the system for it to show up on a certain site. With more DPS in town were getting more activity on the overlay system.
 

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Most of the agencies are switching to APX for the multiband operation AND for the ADP encryption
While I’ve paid for ProVoice on my 436HP and have no problem with its continued use, I really hope they don’t switch to encrypted systems. I know that’s a whole sore point in general, especially for DPS, but I guess there’s nothing short of a miracle that can stop it if they want it bad enough.
 
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