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[rick521]

Tasers for citizens

Delaina Renfro
KWCH 12 Eyewitness News
Wednesday, July 27, 2005

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Taser guns are the latest weapon to make it on to the Wichita Police Department's belt. Now a company that makes them wants you to carry one as well. Taser International, based in Florida, launched a marketing campaign this week to get the public interested. But are Taser guns a true form of protection for the average citizen?

Taser International hopes you'll drop $400 to $1000 dollars on the civilian version of the Taser gun police use in 2,500 departments nationwide.

“There are a lot of people out there these days that are concerned for their safety and well-being. And this is just providing another tool to defend themselves and make themselves more confident,” Said Taser International president, Tom Smith.

At Stamps Academy you'll find plenty of weapons like arms, feet, and legs but you won't find a Taser gun.

Owner Tammy Stamps, an expert in self defense, says the weapon gives you a false sense of security.

‘It may make you feel good but when you really try to use it- to me you're born with weapons and you need to know how to use those.”

Stamps teaches her students to be aware of their surroundings. Always look behind you when you're alone in a parking lot, have your keys ready to go and make sure you know where you parked.

Wichita police say they look at the Taser gun the same way they look at pepper spray and guns- everyone they come in contact with is treated as if they're armed and a Taser gun isn't going to change that.

Taser International stands behind its product. It says the gun is safer than other stun guns because they are the only ones that can be fired from a distance.

 

[pfish]

I disagree with it. Some people will support it, but only until they learn that a helpless woman or kid was shot with one by a sex offender and raped (maybe even killed).

These are meant for police officers to use only when they are needed. These aren't needed for the general public to act even more like police officers. Two people will get it: 1) Bad people. 2) People who think they are cops and will end up getting themselves hurt/killed.

 

[mmartinfan]

I disagree with it. Some people will support it, but only until they learn that a helpless woman or kid was shot with one by a sex offender and raped (maybe even killed).

These are meant for police officers to use only when they are needed. These aren't needed for the general public to act even more like police officers. Two people will get it: 1) Bad people. 2) People who think they are cops and will end up getting themselves hurt/killed.

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sure

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[shotgun1481]

I'm all for the general public carrying tasers under one condition...that is they have to take the same certification class as law enforcement personnel does (i.e. getting shot with a taser and doing all of the class work). Also, I feel they should have to pass a criminal background check before they can legally carry one. Personally, I wouldnt even mess with it because the devices themselves and the certification courses are way too expensive. I think one's better off with OC spray or a CCW permit.

 

[shotgun1481]

I'm all for the general public carrying tasers under one condition...that is they have to take the same certification class as law enforcement personnel does (i.e. getting shot with a taser and doing all of the class work). Also, I feel they should have to pass a criminal background check before they can legally carry one. Personally, I wouldnt even mess with it because the devices themselves and the certification courses are way too expensive. I think one's better off with OC spray or a CCW permit.

 

[Scan-Denver]

I'm all for the general public carrying tasers under one condition...that is they have to take the same certification class as law enforcement personnel does (i.e. getting shot with a taser and doing all of the class work). Also, I feel they should have to pass a criminal background check before they can legally carry one. Personally, I wouldnt even mess with it because the devices themselves and the certification courses are way too expensive. I think one's better off with OC spray or a CCW permit.

A tazer is less lethal than a firearm. Sure it can do damage and or kill someone given some circumstances. Gives you something to fight back with without the need for CCW and paying for firearms classes and purchasing a weapon. That is of course if it is legal in your state for civilians to carry.

As it is in my city, Denver doesn't allow civilians to carry a concealed weapon but will allow tazers.

 

[shotgun1481]

A tazer is less lethal than a firearm. Sure it can do damage and or kill someone given some circumstances. Gives you something to fight back with without the need for CCW and paying for firearms classes and purchasing a weapon. That is of course if it is legal in your state for civilians to carry.

As it is in my city, Denver doesn't allow civilians to carry a concealed weapon but will allow tazers.

I see your point...I'm all for people carrying less than lethal weapons whenever possible. I'm just saying that the purchase of a firearm and CCW classes seems a bit cheaper than buying a tazer which can cost anywhere from $800-$1500. Your average glock will cost anywhere from $400-$550 and the CCW classes usually range $150-$250.

Now for those folks who live in areas that dont permit concealed firearms, the options are pretty much limited to OC spray, tasers, and good old fashioned hand to hand combat, and training for those items have a wide range of costs. I guess it all depends on what area you live and work in and what kind of potential threats you may face.

 

[Scan-Denver]

Indeed !

I wasn't aware that tazers were that expensive ! I've seen them in the $400 - $500 range. Guess it all depends on what kind and how many bells and whistles come with it.

I have a baton style stun gun that was only about $100. It is about 3 feet in length and the entire shaft is electrified, not just the tip like most. So if someone tried to take it away from me, just hit the button and ZAP !!

Yeah it allows an attacker to get closer than a stun gun, but it is better than one of those small hand helds where you have to get within arms reach to zap someone.

 

[skyboltkc]

68-Year-Old Woman Says Officer Shocked Her Twice In Chest

These are meant for police officers to use only when they are needed. These aren't needed for the general public to act even more like police officers. Two people will get it: 1) Bad people. 2) People who think they are cops and will end up getting themselves hurt/killed.

Up here in KCMO Land we have had some officers that seem to "Like" the
Taser a bit too much!! I think Tasers are a good tool for an officer as long
as you don't catch them on a bad day and start honking your horn!!!
:lol:

Last year:
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/3426924/detail.html

and from a story this month:
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/4754689/detail.html

 

[LGLHOOK]

I disagree with the general public carrying certin type of tasers. I think that the hands on taser is fine with proper training. However the tasers that shoot the probes should NOT be issued to the general public. That goes with the OC stand point, If you use OC on a police officer, that is grounds for deadly force. The same I feel is true for tasers, if you use a taser, prepare to possably suffer fatal conciquences by either Law Enforcement or the Concealed Weapons Permit Holders.

 

[KAA951]

For those of you from outside Kansas waving the "Just carry your Glock with a Concealed Carry Permit permit" flag- that won't cut it here. Kansas does not issue CCW permits- only law enforcement and licensed investigators can carry concealed firearms.

The Taser then is a viable alternative for self defense instead of a firearm. And, you can't just run around shooting folks with it as every time it is used hundreds of little disks with the device serial number (registered with Taser) are spread around the scene.

As a 12 year law enforcement officer and firearms instructor, I would rather see a citizen with basic training use a Taser on some mope that use a firearms in an urban area.

 

[Scan-Denver]

For those of you from outside Kansas waving the "Just carry your Glock with a Concealed Carry Permit permit" flag- that won't cut it here. Kansas does not issue CCW permits- only law enforcement and licensed investigators can carry concealed firearms.

The Taser then is a viable alternative for self defense instead of a firearm. And, you can't just run around shooting folks with it as every time it is used hundreds of little disks with the device serial number (registered with Taser) are spread around the scene.

As a 12 year law enforcement officer and firearms instructor, I would rather see a citizen with basic training use a Taser on some mope that use a firearms in an urban area.

Well stated !

 

[SCPD]

TTFD238
Refreshing to see an intelligent statement. And by the way, rick521, the company is located in Scottsdale, AZ. Stated quite plainly on their website.

 

[Buckskinner33]

My wife could do more damage with a comb or a BIC pin then trying to reach for a TAZAR. She seems to have access to either one a hell of a easier then hunting for that TAZAR in her purse.

In my entire life, I have never had to use a gun in self defence.
(I've thought about it but never used it)

I think if I bought a TAZAR it would probly set just like my guns do with the only exception, that I can at least take my guns to the range to practice or to go hunting. I cant do that with a TAZAR.

I too could see this Item being abused by the general public.

Now, I am sure there someone out there who has gone thru some tragidy in there life thats these weapons could have made some difference in there life. They may have changed the outcome with their help. But thats the laws of probability, you don't always know what the outcome is based on chance.

Heres a little history on me before someone rips my post.
Im 37, Male, Gun owner and NRA supporter. Ive been robbed at gun point and Knife point but i was never injured and they caught the people who did it. I know a loved one who has been raped and another who was killed by someone with a gun. I live in a rough neighborhood where gangs and drugs activity are a major problem and I'm a father who is trying to raise 2 wonderful children in this enviroment.

Belive me, I have plenty of reasons to support the idea of conceal carry or to arm my family with tazars, But I don't. Im confidant that my family could defend them selves and smart enough to not get them selves into a situation where they need to use it.

 

[FFighter81]

Buckskinner, I have to agree with you............for the most part.
First, I will also give a little background of myself as well.
I'm 36, caucasion male, avid hunter, firearms owner, NRA supporter, police officer and deputy sheriff for 9 years back in the 1990's. I have never been robbed, but I have been shot at, stabbed at in the line of duty.
The best defense there ever has been or ever will be is to avoid a confrontation all together. However, society doesn't let that happen and we can't predict what is right around the corner. I support the concealed carry issue, to a point also. If we had the option in Kansas, it's not like every Tom, Dick and Harry would be caring a weapon on them. I carry a set of keys in my pocket when not driving. Keys can be a weapon. But I'm not here to debate what IS and what IS NOT a weapon. If we had CC in KS, we would have to submit to background checks and training just like the states that have it now. BUT what gripes me is, the common drug dealer, rapist, gang member, burglar etc. already carries a concealed weapon. Do you think he filled out a form 4473 when he bought it? Do you think he has a permit issued to carry it concealed? Honestly, there are citizens I know if they had a concealed weapon on them it would scare the hell out of me. But with proper background checks and training, decent law abiding citizens carrying would not bother me. The bad guys are already. I know this is a radio/scanner site and I am way off the subject here but I guess we are all entitled to our opinions. This is mine.
FFighter81

 

[rick521]

Nice Avatar FFighter81. I am just happy to see people active on the KS group :!: :lol:

 

[Buckskinner33]

I support the concealed carry issue, to a point also. If we had the option in Kansas, it's not like every Tom, Dick and Harry would be caring a weapon on them. I know this is a radio/scanner site and I am way off the subject here but I guess we are all entitled to our opinions. This is mine.
FFighter81

Cool. I understand your point.
Allow me to go a little deeper on this subject. Ask any Law Enforcement Officer here in Kansas on what the law states about the right to protect property and life.

(My crude remdition of the law states) I can not under any circumstance harm an intruder unless I or my family is being threaten.(Meaning I just cant shoot the guy who broke into my house unless he posses a threat. I got to give him a chance to leave)

I can not carry a weapon for self defence unless it is in my own home or business that I own. If and only then am I allowed to use neccesary force to counteract a hostile action.(A Grey area for TAZARS, MACE or Batons outside of the home)

I only bring this up because If I am caught outside of my home with a weapon by the police, they have to assume my intentions is to do harm.It does not amount to a hill of beans if I was coming back from the shooting range or if I just bought the damn thing. I'm getting cuffed. I'll be allowed to explain later when they feel that they or the public is not in harms way.
(This has happen to me)

What gets me is that a TAZER, MACE or Baton is designed to do harm. Now it is not leathel, but it will do harm. They are made to subdue attackers. If your a cop then you know what they feel like and you will remeber that to ensure that you as a cop dont go over boared while using it.

Are these items ok to carry because of there non-leathel nature? Someone , Please convince me as to why these should be allowed.

I remember a great commercial where this guy is lost in the "Big City".
He walks up to this woman to ask for directions. Before he even gets "Excuse me , miss?" out of his mouth she hits him with a can of pepper spray, empties the can on him and while he is down on the ground gasping for air she nails him with a hand held tazar.

Funny commercial, But I foresee that happening in real life if these are allowed and all they have to say in court was they "felt threaten". You know as well as I do there is some wiered ducks out there. Im gald Im just labled as strange! :wink:

 

[rick521]

By the way. I would rather have a scanner :!: :!: 8)

 

[Buckskinner33]

Then theres this Guy!

Then there are these types of people: PLEASE READ

Dear Friends,

My wife Janie is fond of saying that my last words on this earth will be something akin to, "hey y'all, hold my beer and watch this!"

Well, I have outdone myself once again. No doubt you will see this true story chronicled in a LifeTime movie in the near future. Here goes.

Last weekend I spied something at Larry's Pistol and Pawn that tickled my fancy. (Note: Keep in mind that my "fancy" is easily tickled). I bought something really cool for Toni. The occasion was our 22nd anniversary and I was looking for a little something extra for my sweet girl. What I came across was a 100,000-volt, pocket/purse-sized Tazer gun with a clip. For those of you who are not familiar with this product, it is a less-than-lethal stun gun with two metal prongs designed to incapacitate an assailant with a shock of high-voltage, low amperage electricity while you flee to safety. The effects are supposed to be short lived, with no long-term adverse affect on your assailant, but allowing you adequate time to retreat to safety. You simply jab the prongs into your 250 lb. Tattooed assailant, push the button, and it will render him a slobbering, goggle-eyed, muscle-twitching, whimpering, pencil-neck geek. If you've never seen one of these things in action, then you're truly missing out--way too cool!

Long story short, I bought the device and brought it home. I loaded two triple-a batteries in the darn thing and pushed the button. Nothing! I was so disappointed. Upon reading the directions (we don't need no stinkin' directions), I found much to my chagrin that this particular model would not create an arch between the prongs. How disappointing! I do love fire for effect. I learned that if I pushed the button, however, and pressed it against a metal surface that I'd get the blue arch of electricity darting back and forth between the prongs that I was so looking forward to. I did so. Awesome!!! Sparks, a blue arch of electricity, and a loud pop!!! Yipeeeeee . . I'm easily amused, just for your information, but I have yet to explain to Janie what that burn spot is on the face of our microwave.

Okay, so I was home alone with this new toy, thinking to myself that it couldn't be all that bad with only two triple-a batteries, etc., etc. There I sat in my recliner, my cat Sylvester looking on intently (trusting little soul), reading the directions (that would be me, not Sly) and thinking that I really needed to try this thing out on a flesh and blood target. I must admit I thought about zapping Sylvester for a fraction of a second and thought better of it. He is such a sweet kitty, after all. But, if I was going to give this thing to Janie to protect herself against a mugger, I did want some assurance that it would work as advertised. Am I wrong? Was I wrong to think that? Seemed reasonable to me at the time...

So, there I sat in a pair of shorts and a tank top with my reading glasses perched delicately on the bridge of my nose, directions in one hand, Tazer in another. The directions said that a one-second burst would shock and disorient your assailant; a two-second burst was supposed to cause muscle spasms and a loss of bodily control; a three-second burst would purportedly make your assailant flop on the ground like a fish out of water. All the while I'm looking at this little device (measuring about 5" long, less than 3/4 inch in circumference, pretty cute really, and loaded with two itsy, bitsy triple-a batteries) thinking to myself, "no friggin' way!" Friggin' way--trust me, but I'm getting ahead of myself.

What happened next is almost beyond description, but I'll do my best. Those of you who know me well have got a pretty good idea of what followed. I'm sitting there alone, Sylvester looking on with her head cocked to one side as to say, "don't do it buddy," reasoning that a one-second burst from such a tiny lil' ole thing couldn't hurt all that bad (sound, rational thinking under the circumstances, wouldn't you agree?). I decided to give myself a one-second burst just for the hell of it. (Note: You know, a bad decision is like hindsight--always twenty-twenty. It is so obvious that it was a bad decision after the fact, even though it seemed so right at the time. Don't ya hate that?)

I touched the prongs to my naked thigh, pushed the button, and HOLY **************! DAaaaauuuuuuMN!!! I'm pretty sure that Jessie Ventura ran in through the front door, picked me up out of that recliner, then body slammed me on the carpet over and over again. I vaguely recall waking up on my side in the fetal position, nipples on fire, testicles nowhere to be found, soaking wet, with my left arm tucked under my body in the oddest position. Sly was standing over me making meowing sounds I had never heard before, licking my face, undoubtedly thinking to herself, "do it again, do it again!"

(Note: If you ever feel compelled to mug yourself with a Tazer, one note of caution. There is no such thing as a one-second burst when you zap yourself. You're not going to let go of that thing until it is dislodged from your hand by a violent thrashing about on the floor. Then, if you're lucky, you won't dislodge one of the prongs 1/4" deep in your thigh like yours truly.) SON-OF-A-***** that hurt!

A minute or so later (I can't be sure, as time was a relative thing at this point), I collected my wits (what little I had left), sat up and surveyed the landscape. My reading glasses were on the mantel of the fireplace. How did they get there??? My triceps, right thigh and both titties were still twitching. My face felt like it had been shot up with Novocain, as my bottom lip weighed 88 lbs. give or take an ounce or two, I'm pretty sure.

By the way, has anyone seen my testicles? I think they ran away. I'm offering a reward. They're round, rather large, kinda hairy, and handsome if I must say so myself. Miss 'em . . . sure would like to get 'em back.

 

[rick521]

J D,
Please tell me that was not you!!!