Scanner Tales: Fun with the FCC

N9JIG

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Over the years I have applied for and received many different FCC licenses for myself, my work and friends. In the old days we had to use the infamous “Form 601”, a paper form used for most land-mobile license applications. The first time I used the 601 was for my GMRS license back in the late 1980’s. At the time GMRS was limited to 1 or 2 channel pairs and one had to include each of the radio types they had and for what frequencies. These radio types typically included mobiles (MOB), portables (PORT), Base (FB), Control Stations (FX1) and repeaters (FB2).

Most of us did not have repeaters but even without that it was a challenge to remember to include everything. We had a guy who owned the repeater we used that was an expert in filling out the 601 so that made things easier. He also had a special plastic ruler device that helped figure out geographic coordinates in the days before GPS and Google Maps. We had to include the station locations for the FB’s and FX1’s. You needed to get ahold of the USGS Sectional map for the area and use that special ruler device to figure out the coordinates. These maps also had the elevations, which was required. These days you grab the coordinates and elevation from your GPS, a smartphone or online.

These Sectional Maps were available by mail order from the USGS or, if you were lucky to have a Rand McNally store nearby, you could get one there. I did have a Rand McNally store about 15 minutes away, so I was able to get these maps easily. I still had some until I recently purged my garage of accumulated junk last year. I also bought the special ruler thing there as well. I probably still have it someplace.

These days all the licensing is done online. GMRS no longer requires such details as the frequencies desired, coordinates and elevations or even the station types. You just get a license, and you can have any type radios that are allowed for the service, from portables to full-power repeaters, and operate on any of the allowed frequencies.

Coordinated services like business band and public safety were a different animal altogether. Then, as it remains, you still fill out the form (then on paper, now online) and submit it to a Frequency Coordinator for your service type. Back then there was usually a single organization responsible for the frequencies assigned to that service. Police assignments were assigned by APCO, Fire by IMSA and Business by NABER. There were others for Rail, Forestry, Conservation, Highway and others. If no channels were available for your service type in your area you could try for an unused channel in another service type. When I needed a new channel for our fire department, I found a good candidate frequency in the Highway Maintenance Radio Service so I needed to work with both APCO and AASHTO, who coordinated Highway channels at the time. I eventually got the channel, but it was difficult and required twice the work.

Some years ago, the FCC changed things around. First, they eliminated a lot of the detailed Service Types for frequencies under 512 MHz. and set them in several “Pools”. Police (Type Code “PP”), Fire (PF), Local Government (PL), Conservation (PO), Highway Maintenance (PH), Special Medical (PS) and others were grouped into the “Public Safety Pool” (Type Code PW), most of the Business license types were also grouped together into a single pool (IB).

After these Services were grouped into the overall pools, the Frequency Coordinator system changed to where one could select one of several different ones to handle the coordination. I assume they have access to the FCC database at a minimum, perhaps there is some other database they use to coordinate among themselves. Regardless the competition has kept the fees down, I suspect they would have been much higher without the competition.

So, what do the Frequency Coordinators do and why do applicants have to pay them? They look over the application and make sure everything is in proper order, that existing users will not be impacted by a new license by providing “Safe Harbor” (Certain distances depending on power levels and elevations etc.) and even helping to select the frequencies needed if the applicant hasn’t already requested a specific one. They may ask the applicant to reduce the elevation, antenna gain or type or even the power output to prevent interference to other users or even require an applicant obtain “Letters of Concurrence” from users on the same frequency or adjacent ones that might be impacted. It is unusual for the FCC to request changes or deny an application after it goes thru coordination but it has happened.

While government agencies are exempt from FCC license fees, they still have to pay for coordination. When figuring out the budget for our new fire channel deployment I had to include the fees for coordination. Depending on the complexity it could range from a couple hundred dollars (for a single frequency and location) to several thousand (for multiple frequencies and locations. For my channel I had 5 base stations at different locations along with mobiles and portables and paid around $400 for coordination with APCO and AASHTO. These days I could have worked only with one of several different coordinators.

For a small agency like ours, as well as the larger communications coops we were members of, I was usually the guy that handled most of this stuff so I was pretty chummy with our local coordinators. APCO usually has a couple of coordinators per state and if you were close to the state border (we were 25 miles from the WI state line) you might have to deal with the other state’s guys as well. I knew both of the Illinois coordinators and the Wisconsin one as well so usually could get advice and consent easily as needed. Sometimes a phone call before submitting an application would result in some changes that would prevent an application being returned. Sometimes they would come to me with questions on other applications as they knew I had pretty decent knowledge of the local scene.

I was approached a couple times to see if I was interested in being an APCO or IMSA Coordinator but I already had too much on my plate so declined. I had no problem helping them out and they always took care of me.

When I got my ham license, also in the late 1980’s they were already using the VEC system. I took a class with a few friends, including a couple dispatchers, a radio tech and a radio reporter. We attended weekly classes held by a local ham club and learned theory and Morse Code. Code was still required then, 5 WPM for Novices and Techs and 13 for Generals. Most of us went for the Technician license and we all passed our tests. One guy passed his novice a week before the rest of us and then passed his tech on the final class with us, he made General soon thereafter. While most of us had calls very close to each other, his was actually quite a bit later than ours. Since he already had his Novice test passed, he had to wait for his license to arrive before he could present his exam results to upgrade so his call was later than ours.

Back to the pro side: All FCC license applications back then were done by mail. If you made a mistake, it could delay your license grant by weeks. The nice thing about the Coordination system was that they would usually catch a mistake before forwarding the application to the FCC. Often, they would call you on the phone to clarify or correct an issue, saving a week or two over mailing it back.

These days one can do all this stuff online. While the FCC website can be challenging in a good day it certainly is a lot easier now than it was. If no coordination is required, such as for a GMRS application or a simple renewal it only takes minutes. It is easier of course for governmental agencies as we do not need to pay for the license to the FCC. We did have to pay coordination fees however.

Even though I worked for the police department in our little town I handled the licenses for the other departments, including our Fire/EMS, Water, Electrical and Public Works Departments. I also handled the licenses for our police cooperative, which included about a dozen suburbs and helped out a couple of the neighboring towns for their Fire and Public Works licenses. As our coop had about a dozen T-Band (TV-Sharing on 470-512 MHz.) repeaters and each agency was licensed on several, I ended up being the Contact Person on more T-Band licenses than anyone else in the state outside of the City of Chicago. I think DuComm had more channels but less licenses as they were all licensed together instead of separately like ours.

When the whole T-Band takeaway debacle started I was front and center in the whole mess. This was a plan to move existing users off the T-Band channels and then auction off the spectrum to the highest bidder. It was doomed to fail for a few reasons, each of which I correctly predicted. First off, the spectrum was not nationwide, various chunks were available in specific markets and not others. For example, in the Chicago area we had TV Channels 14 and 15 (470-476 and 476-482 MHz) assigned to public safety and business use. Outside the Chicago area and the couple of other metro areas that had similar assignments, these were usually occupied by TV stations.

The scattered nature of these chunks of spectrum really reduced the value in them to commercial providers. Due to the probable low value of these allocations the promise that existing users would be paid to move elsewhere was a myth. I expected that we would never see a dime out of it.

Next, there was no provisions for accommodating T-Band users elsewhere, we would have to be squeezed into other spectrum. The whole reason we were using T-Band anyway was that there was no other place to put us, this would only make it worse.

Then there was the business users on T-Band, they were pretty well scattered around. Public Safety was nominally assigned to about a third of the available channels but not at the beginning or end of the band. After 40 years some freqs outside our allocations ended up licensed to government while the rest was assigned to business users. Since only the public safety allocations were to be taken (or at least promised to be paid to move, as hollow a promise that would be), what was to become of the business users? This would further erode the value of the spectrum.

Still another issue was narrow-banding. This was also happening at the same time. I was pretty certain that the whole T-Band thing would be nixed but by the time it was sprung upon us we were already knee-deep in narrow-banding. We were proactive in this; we didn’t want to wait until the end and have to be in a rush with all the other procrastinators so we jumped thru the hoops of modifying all our FCC licenses (well more “Me” instead of “We”) and then replacing some radios that were not capable of narrow-banding. Thankfully this was only a few and they were already up for replacement anyway. We also had to reprogram the mobile and portable radios as well as the repeaters, control stations and other base radios. We had to coordinate all this with not only the dozen or so towns in out police and fire coops but also the inter-op channels and coordinate with our mutual aid partners. Shortly after I signed off on paying our radio service a few dozen thousands of dollars we started hearing rumors that the FCC would exempt T-Band uses from narrow-banding. When that actually occurred, it was too late for us, we had completed our narrow-banding and would never get that money back.

The last thing I predicted was that the whole takeaway of the T-Band spectrum would be reversed, and it was. But by then many agencies spent a lot of money moving to different spectrum. In the Chicago area most went to the state StarCom21 system. While the various T-Band systems had been geared toward the specific coverage areas and tweaked locally to work well, the StarCom21 system was more generalized. If you wanted better coverage in your area, it would cost you dearly. While I had retired by then, our cooperative spent a good chunk of change to add a couple SC21 sites to provide for better local coverage, even with that it just does not work as well as the old UHF systems.

Thankfully in about some 50 years of public safety and hobby radio I never had an enforcement issue with the FCC. I minded my Ps and Qs so never got into trouble and most of the interference issues we had were resolved locally. There were a few ne’er-do-wells that would pop up on our channels from time to time. Usually, it was a one-off but a couple times we had some extended idiots that we tracked down. We got pretty good at localizing them by watching the repeater comparator panels and I was even able to prove that a specific radio we found on a suspect was the one used by viewing the waveform in Adobe Audition and comparing it to our radios and the interference we recorded. I don’t know if it would have held up in court, but it was good enough for the guy’s attorney to encourage a plea deal.

In the Chicago area the FCC had a Field Office in Park Ridge, a suburb of Chicago near O’Hare Airport. In the late 70’s and early 80’s I was a dispatcher and Service Officer for the police department there. Located in a non-descript office complex, the FCC had a public office, a small monitoring post and a garage for a couple mobile units. In the late 1970’s they had a mid-sized RV with a bunch of pretty esoteric radios from Collins, Motorola and Hallicrafters. They would usually park it in our police department parking lot when not in use and leave a set of keys at the desk. I was afraid to go explore the thing as I was still a teenager, but our radio guy had more guts and checked it out, inviting me to peek inside a couple times. By them I left that agency in the mid 80’s they had switched to Suburbans and built that garage out in the office park.

I spent many hours in the Field Office viewing the microfiche of licenses. We had a compatible fiche reader at work so they would give me the old cards when the new ones came in. That was a great way to stay awake on a lonely midnight shift.

I have already written about visiting the FCC Monitoring Posts at Grand Island NE and Allegan MI. At Park Ridge however, they would not let me see their facility outside the small public lobby. They had a couple prominent antennas on the top of the elevator shaft, including a couple discones and yagis. Later they had a small discone on the roof of the garage. As far as I know the antennas are still on the main building but the last time I looked the garage antenna was gone. I don’t know if they still use the office, monitoring facility or the garage anymore.

The FCC gets a lot of grief these days, the FCC database seems to be run on a Commodore 64. Who knows what is going to happen to it with the current administration’s “slash and burn” mentality.
 

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Park Ridge however, they would not let me see their facility outside the small public lobby. They had a couple prominent antennas on the top of the elevator shaft, including a couple discones and yagis. Later they had a small discone on the roof of the garage. As far as I know the antennas are still on the main building but the last time I looked the garage antenna was gone. I don’t know if they still use the office, monitoring facility or the garage anymore.
As of this afternoon, the large discone and log periodic are still there on two roof towers. The small discone might still be there too. It’s tough to see all of the details while keeping pace with I294 traffic.
 

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As of this afternoon, the large discone and log periodic are still there on two roof towers. The small discone might still be there too. It’s tough to see all of the details while keeping pace with I294 traffic.
Anything less than 90 on the TriState might get you run over!
 

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Please keep the Scanner Tales series going! I've been saving them to my watched threads.

I thought your writing style had a familiarity to it, and when you mentioned writing pieces for publications such as Pop Comm, the connection was made. I subscribed to Pop Comm for well over a decade beginning in 1988 in my early high school days. Writers like you educated me on the hobby and nurtured my interest.

Looking forward to the next installment.
 

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As our luck would typically run, we installed a repeater for one of our frequencies. We had to go outside the "fire" frequencies to a game warden one to be used as the repeater input. Did the whole frequency coordinator thing.

Come to find out very soon after repeater was installed, that repeater input frequency was the same as the output frequency of one of the Illinois State Police repeaters. But figuring that out wasn't easy as it was a state or two away.

The solution was a PL tone change. Fortunately we were able to do our own programming, other than the repeater itself.

Then after that, we were getting some desense which came from the cable TV system due to some issue. That took some real detective work figuring that out. Convincing the cable TV folks was challenging. They had to see for themselves on a service monitor. When they did a brief cut-off, the service monitor clutter disappeared, then came back as the channel was turned back on.
 

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Then after that, we were getting some desense which came from the cable TV system due to some issue. That took some real detective work figuring that out. Convincing the cable TV folks was challenging. They had to see for themselves on a service monitor. When they did a brief cut-off, the service monitor clutter disappeared, then came back as the channel was turned back on.
We had some cable TV issues as well. Our secondary channel was 155.250. One day we were getting a strong open carrier on that freq right downtown. I did the "track with a scanner with no antenna" trick and traced it to a building with stores on the ground level and apartments above. We called the cable company and they found a loose feeder cable on a nearby pole that once repaired took care of the issue.

We then realized that this same issue probably caused other interference issues on this freq over the past year or two in other locations around town. We were able to convince the cable company to retire that channel from their lineup and never had an issue again. Of course this was in the early days of cable TV and the company was local, these days if it were Comcast, Cox or one of the other big conglomerates it would not be so easy to solve.

Come to find out very soon after repeater was installed, that repeater input frequency was the same as the output frequency of one of the Illinois State Police repeaters. But figuring that out wasn't easy as it was a state or two away.

The solution was a PL tone change. Fortunately we were able to do our own programming, other than the repeater itself.

Back before CloseCall was even a thing I had an Opto Scout connected to an AR8000 in my car that provided the nearfield reception that CloseCall provides nowadays.

With this setup I was up in the UP of Michigan someplace between Sault Ste. Marie and Marquette and heard a fire call that I recognized as a department from someplace in southern WI. While the details are fuzzy some 30 or 40 years later I eventually figured out that it had hopped several repeaters. VHF did not have paired channels like UHF does, so a repeater output could be someone else's repeater input. This call came thru a Michigan county's highway repeater who's input frequency and apparently the PL code matched a repeater elsewhere, the same goes for that repeater and then the third's input matched the output of the WI city's fire channel. I seem to recall one of the repeaters in the chain was from Iowa or Minnesota.

Back then we did not have RadioReference or even the Internet as we know it today but I did have extensive files from the WI scanner guys and CARMA's database. The one repeater I did not have the PL info on I eventually was able to verify thru local sources some time later.

It is amazing what kind of havoc a temperature inversion can create. I suspect this would be a good subject for another Scanner Tale...
 
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These Sectional Maps were available by mail order from the USGS or, if you were lucky to have a Rand McNally store nearby, you could get one there. I did have a Rand McNally store about 15 minutes away, so I was able to get these maps easily. I still had some until I recently purged my garage of accumulated junk last year. I also bought the special ruler thing there as well. I probably still have it someplace.

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I spent many hours in the Field Office viewing the microfiche of licenses. We had a compatible fiche reader at work so they would give me the old cards when the new ones came in. That was a great way to stay awake on a lonely midnight shift.

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I do not recall the USGS selling maps called "Sectional". I suspect you mean the USGS Topographic Quadrangles which are still around. (There are FAA Sectional Aeronautic Charts though.) Regarding looking at licenses on microfiche at FCC Field Offices, being very much listening then to scanners, I remember driving in the 1970's from Akron, Ohio several times to the Detroit office to do that (once even skipped a college class). Then I took a chance and called a local communications company thinking he might have an old list from the FCC that he might sell me. Turns out he did have a printout of everything in Ohio and he sold it to me for $20. It felt like Christmas. Then in 1982, I asked the Government Printing Office, which distributed government documents , what it would cost to get a copy of the FCC Master File microfiche. They messed up and sent me a copy with a bill (for a couple hundred dollars). I called them up and explained their mistake to them. Two days later, a 2nd copy arrived (they messed up again). Before returning them as I could not afford the price, I found a nearby university library had a reader/printer that would print a whole microfiche sheet at at time for a good price. ($0.25 a sheet?)..
 

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The VHF fire dispatch channel in Vilas County, WI used to have an input frequency/pl that was the same as the Chicago Fire Englewood dispatch frequency. It was fun to listen to the CFD while 300 miles away sitting lakeside during a summer evening.

PS, the (former?) FCC office in Park Ridge still has the small discone antenna up too. That log periodic has been pointing SSE for the last few years, so maybe not used.
 

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I do not recall the USGS selling maps called "Sectional". I suspect you mean the USGS Topographic Quadrangles which are still around. (There are FAA Sectional Aeronautic Charts though.) Regarding looking at licenses on microfiche at FCC Field Offices, being very much listening then to scanners, I remember driving in the 1970's from Akron, Ohio several times to the Detroit office to do that (once even skipped a college class). Then I took a chance and called a local communications company thinking he might have an old list from the FCC that he might sell me. Turns out he did have a printout of everything in Ohio and he sold it to me for $20. It felt like Christmas. Then in 1982, I asked the Government Printing Office, which distributed government documents , what it would cost to get a copy of the FCC Master File microfiche. They messed up and sent me a copy with a bill (for a couple hundred dollars). I called them up and explained their mistake to them. Two days later, a 2nd copy arrived (they messed up again). Before returning them as I could not afford the price, I found a nearby university library had a reader/printer that would print a whole microfiche sheet at at time for a good price. ($0.25 a sheet?)..
Yeah, that was the incorrect term I used. It has been years since I used Topo maps, I had a bunch over the years before GPS and smartphones. I would order them for places I intended to railfan and they were great resources for finding new photo locations.

We called the Sectionals at the time, incorrectly of course, probably because a few of us also had proper Sectional maps for aviation. When I met my wife she worked at the FAA and was able to bring home boxes of expired maps, airport guides and other FAA docs rescued from the dumpster. This included Sectionals (real ones!).
 

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I do not recall the USGS selling maps called "Sectional". I suspect you mean the USGS Topographic Quadrangles which are still around. (There are FAA Sectional Aeronautic Charts though.) Regarding looking at licenses on microfiche at FCC Field Offices, being very much listening then to scanners, I remember driving in the 1970's from Akron, Ohio several times to the Detroit office to do that (once even skipped a college class). Then I took a chance and called a local communications company thinking he might have an old list from the FCC that he might sell me. Turns out he did have a printout of everything in Ohio and he sold it to me for $20. It felt like Christmas. Then in 1982, I asked the Government Printing Office, which distributed government documents , what it would cost to get a copy of the FCC Master File microfiche. They messed up and sent me a copy with a bill (for a couple hundred dollars). I called them up and explained their mistake to them. Two days later, a 2nd copy arrived (they messed up again). Before returning them as I could not afford the price, I found a nearby university library had a reader/printer that would print a whole microfiche sheet at at time for a good price. ($0.25 a sheet?)..
I was able to rescue our police department microfiche reader when they got rid of it. They wouldn't let me keep the license plate and drivers license records of course but the reader itself was compatible with the FCC cards so made a great addition to my home office at the time (AKA living room).
 

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I was able to rescue our police department microfiche reader when they got rid of it. They wouldn't let me keep the license plate and drivers license records of course but the reader itself was compatible with the FCC cards so made a great addition to my home office at the time (AKA living room).
I eventually bought a reader but took it to the dump a couple years ago. That was for when Grove Enterprises decades ago sold a copy of the unclassified Federal fiche.
 
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