Sentinel Digital Threshold Bug on NXDN?

[kruser]

I noticed in Sentinel 2.00.05 that I can no longer set or view the Digital Threshold Mode and Level settings for NXDN systems.

I can still change the mode to Manual or Auto in the radio.
When I do set a NXDN site to a Manual threshold setting and then read it with Sentinel, Sentinel does detect a change and allows me to save that change to disk.
When I tell Sentinel to write back to the radio plus erase favorites lists, Sentinel does write my customized NXDN Digital Threshold settings back to the radio so Sentinel is seeing my threshold changes and writing them to the radio but there is no way to view them or set them in Sentinel any longer.

Custom thresholds can still be seen, read and changed in Sentinel for P25 and DMR systems. It seems this option was removed for NXDN systems.

This is with the x36HP models and the latest version of Sentinel, 2.00.05.
My x36HP radios are all running the latest 1.23.00 firmware version and like I said above, the Digital Threshold settings are still available to be changed for NXDN systems but only by using the radios menu for the system and its sites.

I'm not sure if this is by design or an oversight when 2.00.05 Sentinel was released. I can't say if this disappeared in earlier Sentinel versions after NXDN support was added. I did not notice it until today with version 2.00.05. I do know the first Sentinel version that supported NXDN did allow one to change the digital settings from Sentinel and of course from the radio menus.

While Auto mode does usually work now for NXDN sites, I still see a benefit when using Manual Digital Threshold settings.

This affects all NXDN systems or sites in my favorites lists.
Not that it matters but this is the system I first noticed this on when customizing some text tags this morning: https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=7359
After seeing this, I checked the other NXDN favorites and they are all missing the digital threshold settings now. I tried importing some from the master database and those are also missing the threshold options so it seems to be a Sentinel based issue.

Anyone else notice this?

At least I can still set them from the radio and they stick when writing back to the radio from Sentinel.

Also, the digital settings can still be read and changed using ProScan. I assume Butel's Arc536 still reads them and allows setting them as well but I did not try it.

 

[jonwienke]

You have the wrong Target model selected in your profile. You need to have separate profiles for the x36 and the SDS100. The SDS100 does not use digital threshold, so those settings are not available when you are using a profile set for the SDS100.

Create separate profiles for your x36 radio(s) and make sure the target model is set correctly, and you can still adjust threshold settings.

 

[kruser]

You have the wrong Target model selected in your profile. You need to have separate profiles for the x36 and the SDS100. The SDS100 does not use digital threshold, so those settings are not available when you are using a profile set for the SDS100.

Create separate profiles for your x36 radio(s) and make sure the target model is set correctly, and you can still adjust threshold settings.

My Target Model IS set to BCDx36HP. That was one of the first things I checked.
I don't have an SDS100 yet so never set it as the Target Model.

 

[jonwienke]

I'm running Sentinel 2.0.5, have multiple SDS100 and x36 profiles, and it behaves as I described. When I have a x36 profile open, I can see and access the threshold settings. When I have a SDS100 profile open, they are hidden.

If you only have one profile that is supposed to be x36 and the threshold settings are missing, set it to SDS100, save it, and then set it back to x36.

 

[kruser]

I'm running Sentinel 2.0.5, have multiple SDS100 and x36 profiles, and it behaves as I described. When I have a x36 profile open, I can see and access the threshold settings. When I have a SDS100 profile open, they are hidden.

If you only have one profile that is supposed to be x36 and the threshold settings are missing, set it to SDS100, save it, and then set it back to x36.

Jon, check any NXDN systems in your x36HP profiles.
NXDN is the only system type that has this problem. Threshold settings are available in Sentinel for P25 and DMR but not NXDN.

I did try toggling to SDS100 and saving and then back to x36HP target models but threshold settings are still missing for all my NXDN systems.

I opened some saved profiles saved when NXDN support was first added to Sentinel and they are also missing threshold settings for NXDN systems.

 

[Ubbe]

It's gone. No Threshold mode or values are shown in Sentinel for NXDN in x36 profile.
When I click on the favorit list it shows some graphical anamolies in the columns where it is supposed to show threshold parameters.

/Ubbe

 

[kruser]

It's gone. No Threshold mode or values are shown in Sentinel for NXDN in x36 profile.
When I click on the favorit list it shows some graphical anamolies in the columns where it is supposed to show threshold parameters.

/Ubbe

Yep, that's what I see as well.
I do see the values I set when I look at a NXDN system favorite list file with a text editor.

Thanks for confirming.

 

[jonwienke]

I see them just fine, as long as the profile I have open has the Target Model set to BCDx36HP.

 

[wx5uif]

I see them for conventional channels but not trunked NXDN.

 

[budevans]

I'm running Sentinel 2.0.5, have multiple SDS100 and x36 profiles, and it behaves as I described. When I have a x36 profile open, I can see and access the threshold settings. When I have a SDS100 profile open, they are hidden.

If you only have one profile that is supposed to be x36 and the threshold settings are missing, set it to SDS100, save it, and then set it back to x36.

I am seeing the same as Jon posted. With the 436 profile I get the threshold settings. With the SDS100 profile I don't. I checked multiple NXDN Favorite Lists.

 

[W4ELL]

I am seeing the same as Jon posted. With the 436 profile I get the threshold settings. With the SDS100 profile I don't. I checked multiple NXDN Favorite Lists.

If you edit the Favorites List containing a NXDN trunked system, highlight a site in said system in the left column, and then go to the Options tab, the settings for Digital Threshold Mode and Digital Threshold Level are not present at all. That is the only place I know where you can change these values in Sentinel.

Look in the same place on a P25 Trunked or DMR Trunked system and they are there.

Sentinel 2.00.05
Separate x36 Profile
Target Model x36

 

[hiegtx]

If you edit the Favorites List containing a NXDN trunked system, highlight a site in said system in the left column, and then go to the Options tab, the settings for Digital Threshold Mode and Digital Threshold Level are not present at all. That is the only place I know where you can change these values in Sentinel.

Look in the same place on a P25 Trunked or DMR Trunked system and they are there.

Sentinel 2.00.05
Separate x36 Profile
Target Model x36

Seeing the same thing you are, same version of Sentinel. No threshold settings for NXDN regardless if target set for SDS100 or x36HP, also regardless of whether SDS100 profile used, or 436HP (toggling between target models does not change availability of threshold for the x36HP, irrespective of profile used).

 

[jonwienke]

If you edit the Favorites List containing a NXDN trunked system, highlight a site in said system in the left column, and then go to the Options tab, the settings for Digital Threshold Mode and Digital Threshold Level are not present at all.

I stand corrected. Threshold settings are present for conventional channels other digital trunked formats, but absent for NXDN trunked systems, when the Target model is set to BCDx36HP.