Sevierville PD is not where they say they are.

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Our local PD, Sevierville P.D. was on a NXDN system. We have not heard any transmissions for months.
Our other systems are working: Sevierville FD, Search and Rescue, Pigeon Forge PD, Sevier County SO, etc.
I check for updates regularly. A recent board meeting mentioned getting a new system for the city but not sure of the details.
 

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Pigeon Forge just got added to TACN unencrypted, and they use this System Pigeon Forge Public Safety Trunking System, Pigeon Forge, Tennessee - Scanner Frequencies. Have you tried scanning the two LTR Systems and maybe try scanning the Pigeon P25 System, maybe they are trying to be sneaking. I am from Tennesee originally and have scanned Sevier county NXDN system and heard Law on there. Also maybe they have migrated back to conventional frequencies, just throwing out ideas for solutions
 

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The LTR systems are basically dead from what I am told. They are now on the NexEDGE system and fully encrypted. Sevier County is going to put in an P25 TRS of its own but I do not have details on schedule of its completion.

800 MHz with new Emissions for P25... WQAS788 (SEVIER, COUNTY OF) FCC Callsign Details
The old UHF ones now have emissions for NXDN.
 
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The LTR systems are basically dead from what I am told. They are now on the NexEDGE system and fully encrypted. Sevier County is going to put in an P25 TRS of its own but I do not have details on schedule of its completion.
I assumed they were going to put in a P25 system anyway just didn't want to jump to conclusions, Seems like they want the whole state on a digital or some system that can interop with TACN.
 

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Chek the update to that post.. the 800 system that was LTR and used to feed the UHF LTR is now liced for P25
 

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I assumed they were going to put in a P25 system anyway just didn't want to jump to conclusions, Seems like they want the whole state on a digital or some system that can interop with TACN.

I worked with a former Sevierville Police Department Captain. Sevier County has a well-deserved reputation for the most Rube Goldberg convoluted FM radio system in Tennessee history, second only to what used to be the THP. At least the Highway Patrol has some excuse, trying to cover a rectangle shaped territory with a mountain range or three.

The big thing from my point of view is having the funding to scrap a semi-working system in favor of going to a newfangled, unproven, statewide system without big grant money from the various Feds (and the initial Nextel settlement).

I don't think, from recent conversations, that anybody 'wants' TN all on one system at this point. That's FirstNet, looming on the horizon. But having one radio instead of a console full of radios just to talk at a crash scene is a welcome thing from the end user perspective, as well as the fleet tech trying to keep parts and knowledge currency.

The danger lies in a line from a nerd movie from a long time ago...
The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain
 

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Having a system that is interoperable with other jurisdictions in the state would be a step in the right direction. That's why several states have built a statewide trunking system for all jurisdictions to use to whatever degree fits their needs.
 

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I worked with a former Sevierville Police Department Captain. Sevier County has a well-deserved reputation for the most Rube Goldberg convoluted FM radio system in Tennessee history, second only to what used to be the THP. At least the Highway Patrol has some excuse, trying to cover a rectangle shaped territory with a mountain range or three.

The big thing from my point of view is having the funding to scrap a semi-working system in favor of going to a newfangled, unproven, statewide system without big grant money from the various Feds (and the initial Nextel settlement).

I don't think, from recent conversations, that anybody 'wants' TN all on one system at this point. That's FirstNet, looming on the horizon. But having one radio instead of a console full of radios just to talk at a crash scene is a welcome thing from the end user perspective, as well as the fleet tech trying to keep parts and knowledge currency.

The danger lies in a line from a nerd movie from a long time ago...
This is a very proven system and they are not statewide and using a half working radio system in a high tourist area is NO VERY WISE FOR LIFE SAFETY. As it is now if their site goes down they have nothing. With the state there is multiple mobile sites that can be brought in set up and you would never know the difference or if some event needs more coverage in comes the mobile site problem fixed. If you have a large incident in comes the techs and link the needed agencies and everybody talks (what would have been nice in the big wildfire not long ago.
 
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This is a very proven system

We will have to agree to disagree there. Vocoder issues have been well-known for years now. And, as far as the Astro25 Smartzone/Omnilink and followon operating system resilience, MSI has been continually involved in lawsuits over how well it works:

Daryl Jones' Weblog - Digital Radio Problems


and they are not statewide

Most of the time, at least in Tennessee, in my experience, there's no need for 'statewide' capability. We survived on 460.400 for a long, long time.


and using a half working radio system in a high tourist area is NO VERY WISE FOR LIFE SAFETY.

No argument there. But your argument is based on a faulty assumption: that Sevier County's primary driver is ultimately the safety of the residents. I'm taking the high route, but you can search here and read some of the twisted history that has been brought to light.


As it is now if their site goes down they have nothing.
Technically (and, IP Simulcast Subsite failsoft concepts aside), this is sort of true for any radio service. I don't think it wise to provide examples in an open forum, because I don't want to help knobs with a roadmap to deading public safety radio services. But when the mountain goes dark, simplex is it.


With the state there is multiple mobile sites that can be brought in set up

Still, with a dead zone controller, and certain issues at the simulcast sites, until a COW can be trucked in from whereever it lives (there aren't that many in TN), your system is your cell phone.

if some event needs more coverage in comes the mobile site problem fixed.

This is another huge, ranty, pet peeve of mine. Motorola and Harris have a bad habit of underselling base radio capacity. They tell you right in their literature that all trunking systems are engineered on two predicated conditions:
1- It is improbable that a large percentage of users will want to make a call at one time; and 2- Most conversations are relatively short.
This sounds like the opposite of a best practice for disaster communications. Even with the eventual four slot system, there will be a lot of bonks in rurally-served areas struck with a Bad Day.

If you have a large incident in comes the techs and link the needed agencies and everybody talks (what would have been nice in the big wildfire not long ago.

This is great in theory. TEMA used to just keep containers of interop radios and flyaway kits to resolve this. It will be interesting to see how it works in real life, because again, right in the literature:
When planning to add a group, consider the possible impact on system resources. Large talkgroups,
multigroups, or agencygroups require resources at all sites with affiliated members and may cause
busies, especially if all members are in the same site.
Consider the system's channel availability. The
infrastructure must be in place to support the traffic of added groups.

I'm not anti TVRCS/TACN. Nor am I pre-lawyer owned Motorola. I am pro the end user, by them self, answering what might be the last call of their life, and relying on a communications device built on averages and cost containment. (shrugs)

back on topic, Sevier County will continue to use a janky system until enough people say enough is enough and demand better.
 

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I will say you are entitled to your opinion that is your right. But most of us that risk our life and use radio systems that were designed to be mounted on horse and buggies had rather a system that works and if it turns out you can not hear who you want sorry but we have jobs to do.
When I started in the Fire Service we had 3 walkies all on 37.26 5 foot antenna now you talk about risking life and limb then in the early 80's we went VHF simplex by the 90's we had VHF Repeated by early 2000's we were 800 trunked and each step was a improvement in radio coverage and safer for the FF's working and that brings me to why I am ready to move to the TACN that I have had radio's for a couple of years on the MA groups and have better coverage and better voice quality with out the problems you claim to plaguing the system.
 
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We used 37.26 for law enforcement here late 70's - beginning of the 80's. I don't remember what fire and EMS was prior to VHF-Hi band. Those signals carried really well in our area, too far when skip occurred.

800 analog trunking was rough here. Only one county went to it around 1991, then a city followed suit. Everybody else remained VHF/UHF analog conventional repeater until TVRCS rolled through the last few years. 700Mhz was a television frequency, there wasn't even purpose-built LMR subscriber units what, ten years ago?

The reason why 800 can get better coverage for the same reasons cell phones get better coverage; due to the physics of the wavelength and power output, you gotta add more remote sites to get adequate RF density. 800 is no good in urban areas due to concrete and multipath; it is no good in rural due to fade and trees.

It's so bad that the Fire Service people are pushing new regulations for dwellings and commercial establishments that mandate RF walkthroughs, and require owners to do something if the building has large enough dead zones. You say you're fire service, you guys were the first to sue because the original vocoder in P25 systems blew a gasket if there was a running apparatus or an active PASS in the background; that's part of the genesis of the so-called XTREME noise reduction system.

Again, I fully support ensuring responders don't have to worry about their radio as part of all the things they need to be concerned about on a call; that's why I'm so vocal about the topic. Gotta run, I'll try to check back in this weekend.
 

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So did SPD went to Land Air now for primary comms and left their conventional nexedge channel? Jefferson County is about to go to landair. Jefferson City PD and FD already have went to it also with Carson Newman University Security/DPS being on the JCPD Channel.
 

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I will be in Gatlinburg, Pigeon Forge and Sevier County area in a few weeks. So what systems are confirmed and in use for this area. I will be taking my Unication G5 and Pro 106.
Seems like every year I am there its always different.
Thanks
 

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I believe that Pegion Forge has added 2 more channels to the TACN, possibly a simulcast or new full system.
 

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The reason why 800 can get better coverage for the same reasons cell phones get better coverage; due to the physics of the wavelength and power output, you gotta add more remote sites to get adequate RF density. 800 is no good in urban areas due to concrete and multipath; it is no good in rural due to fade and trees.

So no real world RF hey?

It's so bad that the Fire Service people are pushing new regulations for dwellings and commercial establishments that mandate RF walkthroughs, and require owners to do something if the building has large enough dead zones.
And building materials have changed as have energy efficiency requirements for said building. Again, no real RF knowledge hey?

You say you're fire service, you guys were the first to sue because the original vocoder in P25 systems blew a gasket if there was a running apparatus or an active PASS in the background; that's part of the genesis of the so-called XTREME noise reduction system.

And there have been HUGE advances in both DSP and active noise cancelling technology since IMBE was tried in the early 90’s.

Once again, you don’t have much in the way of real RF experience, and no experience with current , modern radio gear do you?

Watch this:



Again, I fully support ensuring responders don't have to worry about their radio as part of all the things they need to be concerned about on a call; that's why I'm so vocal about the topic. Gotta run, I'll try to check back in this weekend.

Please do.

A majority of system ‘issues’ can be root caused back to improper design and/or a lack of proper financing/political bean counting.
 

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I will be in Gatlinburg, Pigeon Forge and Sevier County area in a few weeks. So what systems are confirmed and in use for this area. I will be taking my Unication G5 and Pro 106.
Seems like every year I am there its always different.
Thanks
Pigeon Forge Police is on Tennessee Advanced Communications Network (TACN) p25 and their primary site is Greentop it seems. Last time I checked not too long ago their old p25 system site was not changed into TACN. The talkgroups are phase I FDMA and unencrypted (at least the dispatch one is).Seymour Fire is on VHF analog because they are dispatched by Knox Fire (AMR/Rural Metro), Blount Comm, and Sevier Central. Their dispatch frequency is 154.310. There is a countywide dispatch to dispatch channel that is analog (460.500) for the different law enforcement dispatch/911 centers to talk to central 911 dispatch (dispatches all fire and ems/initial 911 answering). EMS is paged on 462.950 MHZ. All fire departments are paged on 454.100 MHZ and Sevierville FD is also paged on 451.400. For Gatlinburg PD, Gatlinburg FD, Sevier EMS, Sevier Sheriff, Pittman center police, Sevierville Fire, all county fire, and pigeon forge fire are dispatched on the Land Air Nexedge UHF rental trunking system fully encrypted. Dollywood and their other stuff is still on analog LTR. Their security I think deputized by the Sheriff. Sevier county electric is DMR uhf. National park service is p25 with a linked repeater system and utilize very little encryption. For Sevierville Police, they were on their nexedge conventional frequency of 460.075 MHz unencrypted but they may have went to the land air trunking system for primary comms now. Which they would be encrypted if they are that system most likely.
 
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