Southern Utah UCAN gets new System ID #

[bchris]

The three active Southern Utah UCAN sites (all in the St George area) have been assigned a new Motorola System ID # and new site #'s. The System ID is 643E, rather than the previous ID of 7202.

Also, as mentioned in another post, the main site in St George is now a Simulcast Site. Previously known as Webb Hill, Site 46 on the 7202 system, it is now St George Simulcast, Site 1 on 643E. This site is also using a different Control Channel, 853.6125.

I heard one UCAN tech tell another last week that some piece of equipment had to be set to 643E since it was to be used in 'Zone 2', so apparently Southern Utah will be Zone 2. There are also a number of new UCAN FCC permits for 800Mhz Trunking in a number of locations in West-Central Utah. I think the number of new permits was 4 or 5, not counting the 4 already in place for Washington County. I would guess they will all be Zone 2. A few weeks ago I drove past the UCAN site near the town of Central in Washington County. It was not transmitting as of that day.

Since Utah Hill originally went active more than a year ago, it's system ID was always 643E. I found that confusing, presuming that it was a mistake or was perhaps being shared with Arizona or Nevada. Now I know they were just planning ahead.

All of these changes were in effect as of 2-3 weeks ago, and remain as of today. The Zone 2 part doesn't surprise me at all, but the new ID sure caught me off guard. My scanners don't care about the system ID - they work fine after updating the CC for the Simulcast site. I have them set to search mode, so I dont care about TGID's.

My only worry right now is how the talkgroups will play out. We know some TG's will be valid for all zones, but can some now be re-used because of the different SysID? I guess the RR database will now show a separate system, right? If not, there will be duplicate Site #'s. If so, then someone downloading the 643E system does not inherit the existing ID's from 7202. Shall we duplicate all the 7202 ID's for 643E in the DB and all our scanners? That sounds pretty extreme, but then what do we include? For my scanners I can cut and paste all the TG's, but UniTrunker seems to want to start all over with a new system and new TG's. I really dont want to re-enter them all by hand.

According to UniTrunker, all the traffic for almost every TG on 643E uses the same radio ID for a given TG. This tells me that none of those units were using an 800MHz radio - I must be hearing everything from a VHF-800Mhz patch, one for each talkgroup/frequency. Does anyone agree?

The active sites, then, for 643E (Zone2) are:

Site 1 - St George Simulcast - Call Sign WQJT596
CC..853.6125
acc.852.6625
acc.852.2750
acc.853.1875

Site 2 - Toquerville - Call Sign WQJT594
CC..856.7625 (not on current FCC Lic)
acc.852.7375

Site 3 - Utah Hill - Call Sign WQJT595
CC..853.4750
acc.852.8375

I'm sure there will be more to come... Comments?

B.Christensen
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[kf7yn]

It is interesting to note that 643E was previously the old Salt Lake City system before SLC switched to the AC33 system and SL Co Sheriff moved to UCAN.

I am programming a Pro-2096 for a friend in Washington City, are these TGs valid for St George 643E?
49664 UHP Cedar
49696 UHP Virgin
49856 SG PD Disp
49888 SG PD Ch 4
50016 Wash SO Disp
50048 Wash East Law
50080 SG Area Fire

Heard but not ID'd yet
49600
49632
49760
49824


Any others?

Thanks

 

[Junior1970]

I heard one UCAN tech tell another last week that some piece of equipment had to be set to 643E since it was to be used in 'Zone 2', so apparently Southern Utah will be Zone 2. There are also a number of new UCAN FCC permits for 800Mhz Trunking in a number of locations in West-Central Utah. I think the number of new permits was 4 or 5, not counting the 4 already in place for Washington County. I would guess they will all be Zone 2. A few weeks ago I drove past the UCAN site near the town of Central in Washington County. It was not transmitting as of that day.
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The site at Central is actually referred to as "Big Mountain" according to the FCC. It is one of the higher peaks in the area so it should cover a wide area when operational.

There are several others listed on the FCC site for Millard and Beaver Counties:

Gillies Mtn, NW of Beaver and west of 1-15 near Manderfield
Cedar Mtn & White Pine near Fillmore
Monroe Mtn near I-70 on the Millard County side

I have heard rumblings from my public safety connections in Millard about going 800. Maybe it's true. If so they better put up a site on Notch Peak west of Delta but didn't see one listed as of yet.

 

[bcoray]

I will be very curious to see how well they can cover these counties with 800 mhz.

 

[Hooligan]

According to UniTrunker, all the traffic for almost every TG on 643E uses the same radio ID for a given TG. This tells me that none of those units were using an 800MHz radio - I must be hearing everything from a VHF-800Mhz patch, one for each talkgroup/frequency. Does anyone agree?

Yes, so far the only people that I know are actually using 800 radios are the radio techs, and UHP. I spoke with a Trooper recently. I didn't get all radio-geeky with him, but he did have some sort of XTS handheld on his duty-belt -- I assume 800MHz.

I asked him how he liked the 800MHz UCAN system & he kind of rolled his eyes, as if he thinks it is a waste of $$ & prefers the existing VHF system. The only nice thing he had to say about UCAN is that it gives them a repeated car to car channel, instead of them having to use the old simplex VHF car/car, and Cedar City - Virgin River area dispatch plus the car/car channels were the only UCAN ones he used, or cared about.

The UHP cars down here definitely still have & use the VHF radios as well.

 

[bchris]

SG Hits 110217

I am programming a Pro-2096 for a friend in Washington City, are these TGs valid for St George 643E?

49664 UHP Cedar
49696 UHP Virgin
49856 SG PD Disp
49888 SG PD Ch 4
50016 Wash SO Disp
50048 Wash East Law
50080 SG Area Fire

Heard but not ID'd yet
49600
49632
49760
49824


Any others?

Thanks

Yes, they do look correct to me.
This is what I have after 2 days, w/ about 40% per day monitoring.

bc

 

[wbloss]

we need these submitted to the database...

 

[Junior1970]

Anyone stumble across any new TGs or VHF patches/freqs from last nights SWAT callout/double homicide in Washington City last night?

 

[bchris]

Anyone stumble across any new TGs or VHF patches/freqs from last nights SWAT callout/double homicide in Washington City last night?

I did not have my computer hooked up until a half hour after it began, but nothing new after that on the UCAN system. I think it was 'over' as soon as it began. I missed the first few minutes. I hate it when an incident has that type of outcome.

bc

 

[Mick]

While staying overnight in St. George last week I got these frqs for SID 643E:

SID 643E-0001
851.1875
851.8375
852.0375
852.6625
853.6125cc

SID 643E-0002
853.6375cc

SID 643E-0003
853.4750cc

St. George PD 155.67 167.9 & 155.7225 167.9 was simulcasting on TG 49856.

The three active Southern Utah UCAN sites (all in the St George area) have been assigned a new Motorola System ID # and new site #'s. The System ID is 643E, rather than the previous ID of 7202.

Also, as mentioned in another post, the main site in St George is now a Simulcast Site. Previously known as Webb Hill, Site 46 on the 7202 system, it is now St George Simulcast, Site 1 on 643E. This site is also using a different Control Channel, 853.6125.

I heard one UCAN tech tell another last week that some piece of equipment had to be set to 643E since it was to be used in 'Zone 2', so apparently Southern Utah will be Zone 2. There are also a number of new UCAN FCC permits for 800Mhz Trunking in a number of locations in West-Central Utah. I think the number of new permits was 4 or 5, not counting the 4 already in place for Washington County. I would guess they will all be Zone 2. A few weeks ago I drove past the UCAN site near the town of Central in Washington County. It was not transmitting as of that day.

Since Utah Hill originally went active more than a year ago, it's system ID was always 643E. I found that confusing, presuming that it was a mistake or was perhaps being shared with Arizona or Nevada. Now I know they were just planning ahead.

All of these changes were in effect as of 2-3 weeks ago, and remain as of today. The Zone 2 part doesn't surprise me at all, but the new ID sure caught me off guard. My scanners don't care about the system ID - they work fine after updating the CC for the Simulcast site. I have them set to search mode, so I dont care about TGID's.

My only worry right now is how the talkgroups will play out. We know some TG's will be valid for all zones, but can some now be re-used because of the different SysID? I guess the RR database will now show a separate system, right? If not, there will be duplicate Site #'s. If so, then someone downloading the 643E system does not inherit the existing ID's from 7202. Shall we duplicate all the 7202 ID's for 643E in the DB and all our scanners? That sounds pretty extreme, but then what do we include? For my scanners I can cut and paste all the TG's, but UniTrunker seems to want to start all over with a new system and new TG's. I really dont want to re-enter them all by hand.

According to UniTrunker, all the traffic for almost every TG on 643E uses the same radio ID for a given TG. This tells me that none of those units were using an 800MHz radio - I must be hearing everything from a VHF-800Mhz patch, one for each talkgroup/frequency. Does anyone agree?

The active sites, then, for 643E (Zone2) are:

Site 1 - St George Simulcast - Call Sign WQJT596
CC..853.6125
acc.852.6625
acc.852.2750
acc.853.1875

Site 2 - Toquerville - Call Sign WQJT594
CC..856.7625 (not on current FCC Lic)
acc.852.7375

Site 3 - Utah Hill - Call Sign WQJT595
CC..853.4750
acc.852.8375

I'm sure there will be more to come... Comments?

B.Christensen
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[theaton]

UCAN Zone 2

I've seen the same problem of multiple System IDs on the Wyoming state site. RR can only handle one System ID value per system, but it's not really a meaningful value. The DB is set up for multiple zones with duplicate site numbers, so I'll have to "upgrade" UCAN to handle these at some point. As far as the scanners are concerned, the site numbers are arbitrary: you can number/name them whatever you want as long as the control frequencies are listed properly. So this is not much of an issue.

-Tim

 

[Junior1970]

I was in St George and Cedar City last weekend and the data channels listed here were not working last weekend.

St George Simo CC was 853.1875 the entire time
Toquerville CC was 853.6375 the entire time...as it was when I was there in January
Utah Hill was accurate

Anyone in Washington County ran a recent Unitrunker/trunker log in the last week or so?

Also: nothing heard yet in Iron County as I was in Cedar. Just missing some VHF freqs there (see related thread).

Thanks.

 

[enosjones]

Cedar Mountain in Emery County Followed Suit and got this new SYSID 643Eh-0020 For UCAN on Cedar Mountain.

 

[Junior1970]

Due to Eno's thread I checked the FCC Database yesterday and found the following sites in Southern Utah that are licensed and probably nearing the construction stage if not working to check out for the future. Frequency lists are on the output side:

WQOH738 - SCIPIO PASS (MILLARD) - 5 FREQS
WQOH456 - WINDY RIDGE (IRON) - 5 FREQS
WQOD327 - BRUIN POINT (CARBON) - 6 FREQS
WQOB559 - BALD MESA (GRAND) - 6 FREQS
WQMM838 - WHITE PINE (MILLARD) - 6 FREQS
WQMM426 - MONROE MTN (SEVIER) - 6 FREQS
WQMH801 - GILLIES HILL (BEAVER) - 6 FREQS
WQOI315 - FRISCO PEAK (BEAVER) - 6 FREQS
WQMF581 - CEDAR MTN (MILLARD) not to be confused with the same named site in Emery County - 6 FREQS

Stay tuned.................

 

[bchris]

Monroe Mtn Active CC

Due to Eno's thread I checked the FCC Database yesterday and found the following sites in Southern Utah that are licensed and probably nearing the construction stage if not working to check out for the future. Frequency lists are on the output side:

WQOH738 - SCIPIO PASS (MILLARD) - 5 FREQS
WQOH456 - WINDY RIDGE (IRON) - 5 FREQS
WQOD327 - BRUIN POINT (CARBON) - 6 FREQS
WQOB559 - BALD MESA (GRAND) - 6 FREQS
WQMM838 - WHITE PINE (MILLARD) - 6 FREQS
WQMM426 - MONROE MTN (SEVIER) - 6 FREQS
WQMH801 - GILLIES HILL (BEAVER) - 6 FREQS
WQOI315 - FRISCO PEAK (BEAVER) - 6 FREQS
WQMF581 - CEDAR MTN (MILLARD) not to be confused with the same named site in Emery County - 6 FREQS

Stay tuned.................

I took a drive yesterday from Ut County to Salina, then East on I-70 to Fremont Junction, and back. I had previously entered all the FCC freqs for all the sites in JR's post, except Scipio Pass. I did this in hopes of finding one of them active one day. Yesterday this did in fact happen. The CC was a frequency from the Monroe Mtn list. It showed 643E-0012. My newer BCT15x scanner w/ a rooftop antenna started seeing the signal near the SE end of Yuba Res, while my older BCT15 never saw anything at all. I did not have a computer, UniTrunker, or a GRE scanner, so I do not know the alt CC, the neighbors, and I heard no activity on any voice channels.

Near my Eastern-most location on the mtn summit on I-70, I thought there might be a very small chance of seeing Bruin Point or Bald Mesa, but I saw nothing. That certainly does not rule out them being active.

Sometime around June, on a trip to St George, I found a CC active for Gillies Hill south of Beaver. At the time it was entered in my scanner as a conventional freq (not set up as a trunking site freq), so I got no additional information for it. I figured that once it was active, I could catch more info on a later trip. It was after that I entered all the above sites as their own trunking sites, ready to collect info on the next trip. My next trip was about 4 weeks later, and the CC was gone! I have not seen it since, after 4-5 more trips. FYI - The reason I say it was Gillies Hill is that I knew the GPS coordinates for all the new sites and Gillies is very near I-15. The signal peaked right as I came around the mtn, then faded away as I drove south. In addition, the freq was in the Gillies Hill FCC list.

On my most previous trip from St George I thought I saw something I belived to be White Pine near Fillmore. I do not recall why I did not confirm or gather more info. Maybe I was doing something silly like paying attention to driving while going 80mph down the road in the dark. Go figure. I'll try again next trip.

--B.Christensen
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[enosjones]

thanks for checking gives us heads up for that area down there

 

[enosjones]

if you would submit what you found out on the trip. i think u have enough info to submit it. all we needed was a control channel sysid and location and u got all that, so yeah i'd submit it... and submit all thos other updates and stuff u found too. thanks for checking!!

 

[bco]

White Pine

I'm glad someone else picked up the control channel in Millard County. We frequent the Fillmore area often. On my last trip down at the first of this month I picked up what appears to be the CC on White Pine Peak above Fillmore. I was scanning the 800 mhz freq listed for White Pine conventionally and am pretty sure I heard some voice traffic at one point but could not get to the scanner fast enough to see what freq it was.

We will probably be spending some time in the area in the coming months. I will do some more sniffing.

I also noticed an antenna tower along I-15 south of I-70 by about 2 miles (near the old rest stop) that looks suspiciously like a UCAN trunking site. A nest of 3-4 vertical antennas with one pointed downward. Interesting.

 

[enosjones]

Bruin isnt up yet. i can hear other sites on bruin very well, Bruin point also covers the Uintah basin. Bald mesa I "Might" be able to hear if its up but i can hear vhf faintly from east price if im on a hill or a ridge/ high point somewhere. but im not sure 800mhz will stretch as far as VHF does...

I will post as soon as Bruin is up i have it programmed and ready to go.

 

[bchris]

Central Utah UCAN Sites

Here are some CC freqs and site #'s for what I have heard while traveling recently in the central part of Utah.
THEATON - If no one objects, will you please submit the first 3 to the DB. More info will follow...

Oct 24 & 26, 2011
From the FCC list for Monroe Mtn, South of Richfield.
My reception seemed plausable for that location.
CC 854.9625
Site #643E-0012

Oct 26, 2011
From the FCC list for Cedar Mtn, West of Fillmore.
My reception seemed plausable for that location.
CC 852.4375
Site #643E-0009

As per EnosJones on Oct 21, 2011
Cedar Mtn, SE of Huntington.
CC 857.9875
Site #643E-0020

Up in June, Down in July, 2011
From the FCC list for Gillies Hill, South of Beaver.
Location verified by me. Little to no doubt.
CC 852.5500
Site #7202-0060 <--- ID from northern sites (temporarily?)

Probably up - Big Mtn, NW of Central, SE of Enterprise.
Was not up last Jan, but they were talking recently about needing a new A/C unit at that site and I don't know why they would care, if the site was not in use. They have made trips to that area at least 3-4 times since Jan. I am anxious to drive by again, unless Hooligan beats me to it.

Very Soon, 2011. Not up on Oct 26.
Bald Mtn, West of Indianola, North of Moroni.
I'm pretty sure I heard the UCAN guys working at this site on 2-3 occasions this fall, most recently on Oct 27. They were having some trouble, and I think are waiting for parts. I know most people will never drive past these last 2, but for those in the area, they will be a BIG deal.

bco mentioned White Pine in another post. I should be near that site in 1 week, and I'm all good to go scanning.

For you MythBusters Fans... YES I did use the word 'Plausable'.... Twice!

--Brent Christensen
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