I've checked all of the current listings I could find online and in all of the scanner manuals and NONE of the frequencies listed for sites 22 (Lewis Peak), 24 (Summit Co Justice Bldg) or Quarry Mountain (N of Park City) are active. Instead, my continous band scanning has produced the following PARTIAL list of actives, but I am desparately looking for a CURRENT listing of updated trunking systems in Summit Co. Here are the freqs. on which I DO hear regular traffic: (1) 867.5375, (2) 868.1375, (3) 868.3875 and (4) data on 867.9125. Can anyone help me to map out what apparently is a revised system? Thanks.
Summit Co Freqs
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qlajlu
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summit1, I did not answer your question when you first posted it because I wanted to wait until I caught Summit County on my scanner. Since they are not as busy as other agencies on my scanner I just had to be patient. I finally caught them tonight and they are where they have always been, at least for me.
I got them off of Site 011, Nelson Peak, primary control channel frequency 868.5500. The talk group ID (TGID) for Summit Dispatch is 48000. They are listed in the RR Database under Summit County Talk Groups. I was copying both Summit SO and UHP Troopers assigned to the Summit County area. I also can copy Park City PD on this site.
I am in West Kearns, against the Oquirrhs, and they were crystal clear.
I got them off of Site 011, Nelson Peak, primary control channel frequency 868.5500. The talk group ID (TGID) for Summit Dispatch is 48000. They are listed in the RR Database under Summit County Talk Groups. I was copying both Summit SO and UHP Troopers assigned to the Summit County area. I also can copy Park City PD on this site.
I am in West Kearns, against the Oquirrhs, and they were crystal clear.
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thank you
I will try site 11...never did that since i thought others were closer to me (I'm along I 80 near Summit Park). Pardon my ignorance but is that main channel the ONLY one they use? or all of the freqs for 11. My confusion is trying to hear the state patrol all the way down the canyon to Salt Lake. It seems I can only hear them if they are east of Parley's....but never when they are closer to Salt Lake. Again, thanks for helping this new scanner novice!
I will try site 11...never did that since i thought others were closer to me (I'm along I 80 near Summit Park). Pardon my ignorance but is that main channel the ONLY one they use? or all of the freqs for 11. My confusion is trying to hear the state patrol all the way down the canyon to Salt Lake. It seems I can only hear them if they are east of Parley's....but never when they are closer to Salt Lake. Again, thanks for helping this new scanner novice!
qlajlu
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That frequency, 868.5500, is the data channel. The data channel tells all of the transmitters and receivers which frequency they need to be on in order to conduct a message transfer. The assigned frequency (assigned by the data channel) changes constantly. You will need to program all of the frequencies into your unit that Nelson Peak has at its disposal. If you check the frequencies in the RR Database, you will see 15 frequencies assigned to Nelson Peak, site 011, plus the data frequency for a total of 16.summit1 said:
I am not familiar where these peaks are located, but I think that Nelson Peak is actually in Tooele County. It must be a good location because Summit County is very strong off of that site so it might be good for you too.
Since you have already said you tried sites 22 and 24 I assume you know how to get to the RR Database. If you don't, please post again and I will give you directions so you can find the info.
On the Salt Lake side of Parley's Summit you will want to monitor site 03, Salt Lake County; 868.1125 is the data channel on that site. Again, you will want to program in the frequencies assigned to that site of which there are 18, plus the data channel for 19 total.
There is also a Parley's Canyon site, site 13, but I do not monitor it so I cannot vouch for its being able to help you. Check it out to see if you get the data tones and if you do program the rest of the frequencies for that site into your unit.
You will also want to program the TGIDs of the agencies you want to monitor into your unit. UHP in Summit County has a different TGID than those in Salt Lake County. If you scroll down below the frequency list in the Database you will see all of the TGIDs.
Some scanners have a Control Channel only mode where you can program just the Control Channel into the scanner and copy traffic. I don't know what kind of scanner you are using so check your owner's manual for instructions.
I hope you understand that you are working with Trunked Radio Systems here, right?
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P.S. You don't need to apologize. We all need help at one time or another and since you are new to this hobby there are a lot of things to learn, some of which you don't even know that you need to know.
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getting it...
My scanner is a Radio Shack Pro-2051 Triple Trunking so I think it can handle all of this once I figure it out. Here's where I'm at now:
1. My problem is that I wasn't programming ALL of the freqs...and it turns out that I am using the data channel from Lewis Peak.
2. I'm not getting anything from the Nelson freqs so I'll avoid those for the moment but FYI, it's curious that at least one of the Nelson frequencies on the "main RR page"
http://www.radioreference.com/modules.php?name=RR&sid=601
does not match the listing on:
http://www.radioreference.com/modules.php?name=RR&action=fcc&cs=WPQJ462
The descrepancy freq. is 855.050.
3. Also, In Summit Co., I often hear them say "go to 3" which I'm sure is a car to car freq but I've never been able to find it....I'm wondering if the freqs at the top of the table (labeled "MO" for mobile might be car-to-car"
Anyway..I'll have to see which of the three sites ( Summit, Parleys or Lewis Peak ) provide the best coverage for someone like me who drives between SLC and Park City daily.) Thanks again for your valuable help!!!! Name here is Ron
My scanner is a Radio Shack Pro-2051 Triple Trunking so I think it can handle all of this once I figure it out. Here's where I'm at now:
1. My problem is that I wasn't programming ALL of the freqs...and it turns out that I am using the data channel from Lewis Peak.
2. I'm not getting anything from the Nelson freqs so I'll avoid those for the moment but FYI, it's curious that at least one of the Nelson frequencies on the "main RR page"
http://www.radioreference.com/modules.php?name=RR&sid=601
does not match the listing on:
http://www.radioreference.com/modules.php?name=RR&action=fcc&cs=WPQJ462
The descrepancy freq. is 855.050.
3. Also, In Summit Co., I often hear them say "go to 3" which I'm sure is a car to car freq but I've never been able to find it....I'm wondering if the freqs at the top of the table (labeled "MO" for mobile might be car-to-car"
Anyway..I'll have to see which of the three sites ( Summit, Parleys or Lewis Peak ) provide the best coverage for someone like me who drives between SLC and Park City daily.) Thanks again for your valuable help!!!! Name here is Ron
qlajlu
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No, the frequency has nothing to do with this particular situation. It is the Talk Group (TG) that you need. Each frequency is used by ALL agencies using this site as determined by the Control Channel (CC) assigning the frequency which is constantly changing. On one individual frequency you may copy UHP Summit and two seconds later that frequency will be Grantsville PD (I pick up all of Tooele County's traffic from site 011 as well). This is where the "Tracking" comes into play!summit1 said:
The TG determines the individual agency. Take your dilemma from above. Talk Group ID (TGID) 4544 is assigned specifically to the UHP Summit cars for car-to-car (c2c) traffic, TGID 47840 is assigned to Summit SO cars for c2c, TGID 4448 to UHP c2c Salt Lake, TGID 4576 to UHP c2c Tooele, and so on. Any one of these TGs could be on any frequency at any time depending on the CC assignment.
When the UHP cars are traveling from one duty station to another such as Summit County cars going into SL, they know the different radio coverage areas as "Zones" on their radio set ups in their cars. If a Summit UHP Trooper wants to go c2c with a SL Trooper, IN THE SALT LAKE COUNTY AREA, he must use the SL Zone on his radio which puts him into TGID 4448. The Summit UHP Trooper will still be going to "Channel 3" but in reality, he is using a different TG.
It is rather confusing when you are beginning to get into this hobby, but once you understand the basics it becomes interesting, fun, and time consuming. Go here for a discussion on radio system trunking. Be sure to scroll all the way down for the entire discussion.
Now, about the "extra" frequency you have "found" on Nelson Peak. I don't have it programmed into my scanners. I never noticed I didn't have it. I am not aware of any traffic that I have missed because of it.
Oh, and it is a "standard" that when they say, "Go to 3," they mean Channel 3 on their radio and it is always c2c...usually...well, it is a standard for the UHP. Some of the agencies use a different "Channel" for their c2c traffic, but in Utah that is rare and a couple have more than one c2c Channel (SLSO for instance). For the Summit SO, c2c traffic is on Channel 3, but their Channel 3 is not the same as the Summit UHP Channel 3 because they are different TGs.
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Junior1970
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Wasatch Simocast
Try data channel 866.9375 that is Wasatch Simocast. Four sites that used to be individual repeater sites for Quarry, Wasatch Jail, Sundance and a new site at Jordanelle. It covers the entire Park City/Jeremy Ranch/Snyderville Basin area as well as US 40 by Jordanelle Resevoir down into the Heber Valley and through Provo Canyon. I can pick it up strong in Provo especially on the east side (Sundance.) This went online in October.
Lewis Peak is not part of the Wasatch Simo site. If you are using the old data channel on Lewis (868.2250) it's not on for the new one is 867.9125. It's not really new it been on that frequency for about a year or more. Summit Jail site is also not part of the Wasatch Simo site as I understand it but none of their channels are on either. Go figure.
Try data channel 866.9375 that is Wasatch Simocast. Four sites that used to be individual repeater sites for Quarry, Wasatch Jail, Sundance and a new site at Jordanelle. It covers the entire Park City/Jeremy Ranch/Snyderville Basin area as well as US 40 by Jordanelle Resevoir down into the Heber Valley and through Provo Canyon. I can pick it up strong in Provo especially on the east side (Sundance.) This went online in October.
Lewis Peak is not part of the Wasatch Simo site. If you are using the old data channel on Lewis (868.2250) it's not on for the new one is 867.9125. It's not really new it been on that frequency for about a year or more. Summit Jail site is also not part of the Wasatch Simo site as I understand it but none of their channels are on either. Go figure.
wow..thanks again to both of you....this is very interesting. Yes, a new Jordanelle site makes sense....that's the data channel I'm using now..(866.9375) and I'm still trying to find all the other freqs. that are part of this new data channel (or am I missing something....out of all the freqs. doesn't each data channel have a specific # of freqs. that "it controls?")
I'm gaining more with each passing day except...on my dailly commutes to/from SLC down Parley's, I'll often see UHP cars..some stopped....but can never hear them (yes I have a scanner in my car). It seems like the Jordanelle site isn't detectable west of Parley's....and the Salt Lake sites aren't detectable once one enters the canyon from Salt Lake....so I'm not sure how to get those tranmissions (between SLC and Parley's). I don't mean to keep taxing you with questions ...I'm just trying to figure this out.
The talk groups are programmed in and working beautifully.....I understand c2c now....
I'm gaining more with each passing day except...on my dailly commutes to/from SLC down Parley's, I'll often see UHP cars..some stopped....but can never hear them (yes I have a scanner in my car). It seems like the Jordanelle site isn't detectable west of Parley's....and the Salt Lake sites aren't detectable once one enters the canyon from Salt Lake....so I'm not sure how to get those tranmissions (between SLC and Parley's). I don't mean to keep taxing you with questions ...I'm just trying to figure this out.
The talk groups are programmed in and working beautifully.....I understand c2c now....
qlajlu
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summit1, what Control Frequency are you using for the Salt Lake side of Parleys Canyon? I am wondering which site has the best coverage of the canyon. I am copying cars in Parleys off of CC 868.1125. Since they - the UHP cars - are receiving radio transmissions in Parleys, you should be able to hear them as well. We just need to find out which site is hitting them, then you will be able to copy traffic.
(1) Do you have the UHP Salt Lake TGIDs programmed into your scanner?
(2) Don't forget about programming the TGIDs for UDOT (plows), the SLSO, Unified Fire, the medical helicopters all of which operate in and around Parleys.
There is a distinct possibility that you will need to rely on two sites to pick up the radio traffic while you are in the canyon. Looking at the maps of the site locations, I still think that the Parleys Canyon site (site 013) - located just north of the Mtn. Dell Golf Course - is going to come into play. I'm not sure about down in the narrows - west of the dam.
I would suggest you start doing a frequency search on your trips through the canyon, stopping if necessary (chain-up area, Ranch exit, dam exit, Lambs Canyon exit), and try to identify the frequencies carrying a CC signature*. That would point to the site you can pick up radio traffic from. (Be sure, if you stop, that you get off of the freeway or the UHP will be stopping to see what your problem is.)
Until we get this ironed out, you should check back here more often and post your findings. The information you get from your searches would help everyone that has wondered about coverage in Parleys. We need to rely on one another for information.
*Go to this Web site and scroll (way) down until you see "Motorola Network Trunking Control Channel" in the left boxes and click on it. This will bring up an audio sound bite that will let you know what you need to listen for to identify a Control Channel.
(1) Do you have the UHP Salt Lake TGIDs programmed into your scanner?
(2) Don't forget about programming the TGIDs for UDOT (plows), the SLSO, Unified Fire, the medical helicopters all of which operate in and around Parleys.
There is a distinct possibility that you will need to rely on two sites to pick up the radio traffic while you are in the canyon. Looking at the maps of the site locations, I still think that the Parleys Canyon site (site 013) - located just north of the Mtn. Dell Golf Course - is going to come into play. I'm not sure about down in the narrows - west of the dam.
I would suggest you start doing a frequency search on your trips through the canyon, stopping if necessary (chain-up area, Ranch exit, dam exit, Lambs Canyon exit), and try to identify the frequencies carrying a CC signature*. That would point to the site you can pick up radio traffic from. (Be sure, if you stop, that you get off of the freeway or the UHP will be stopping to see what your problem is.)
Until we get this ironed out, you should check back here more often and post your findings. The information you get from your searches would help everyone that has wondered about coverage in Parleys. We need to rely on one another for information.
*Go to this Web site and scroll (way) down until you see "Motorola Network Trunking Control Channel" in the left boxes and click on it. This will bring up an audio sound bite that will let you know what you need to listen for to identify a Control Channel.
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Junior1970
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Parleys Canyon
Parley's Canyon control channel is 868.6375. You can pick it up at the top of the summit on the Salt Lake/Summit county line on 1-80 and on through the canyon to the mouth of the canyon near the Quarry exit where my scanner switches to Salt Lake Simo. UHP, SLCSO , UDOT sheds and VECC Fire channels are the common talkgroups heard on this site. I believe it's a five channel site but I have only seen three voice frequencies pop up: 867.3500, 867.8625 and 866.4625.
Parley's Canyon control channel is 868.6375. You can pick it up at the top of the summit on the Salt Lake/Summit county line on 1-80 and on through the canyon to the mouth of the canyon near the Quarry exit where my scanner switches to Salt Lake Simo. UHP, SLCSO , UDOT sheds and VECC Fire channels are the common talkgroups heard on this site. I believe it's a five channel site but I have only seen three voice frequencies pop up: 867.3500, 867.8625 and 866.4625.
qlajlu
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Way to go Junior1970
I, for one, want to thank you for that information. Since I don't drive the canyon any more I was just not in the position to help summit1. I can copy Summit County very nicely off of Nelson Peak but I suppose it is kinda like not being able to see the forest for the trees. I am far enough away that I can see the forest.
Maybe you can explain why I copy Summit County so well from a site that is located in Tooele County. That has perplexed me since starting to try to solve summit1's dilemma. I have also been wondering how I can copy cars in the canyon without being able to get the Parley's Canyon site on my scanner from where I am.
I just knew that Parley's Canyon site had to be the answer to the basic question. It is also interesting to note that 866.4625 does not show up in the RR "regular" Database.
I, for one, want to thank you for that information. Since I don't drive the canyon any more I was just not in the position to help summit1. I can copy Summit County very nicely off of Nelson Peak but I suppose it is kinda like not being able to see the forest for the trees. I am far enough away that I can see the forest.
Maybe you can explain why I copy Summit County so well from a site that is located in Tooele County. That has perplexed me since starting to try to solve summit1's dilemma. I have also been wondering how I can copy cars in the canyon without being able to get the Parley's Canyon site on my scanner from where I am.
I just knew that Parley's Canyon site had to be the answer to the basic question. It is also interesting to note that 866.4625 does not show up in the RR "regular" Database.
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Junior1970
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qlajlu said:
Nelson Peak is a large site, frequency wise, located in the Oquirrh Mountains covering most of Salt Lake County and I believe it straddles the Salt Lake/Tooele county line. Because of it's location sometimes traffic from outlying agencies pops up on the site. I have seen both Summit Dispatch and Park City on there plus most of the Davis, Weber and Utah County stuff as well. Because of my location I can only monitor Salt Lake County from Nelson and unfortunately cannot pick up either Salt Lake Simocast or the Salt Lake City site from the west desert (Cedar Valley.)
The freqs I had in my old PRO-2067 didn't have the 866.4625 for Parley's until recently. I was coming down the canyon from Park City back in January and had my PRO-95 with me
and turned on to the site and this frequency kept popping up. Since the 95 is control channel trunking and the "antiquated" 2067 is only accurate if you have all the voice frequencies (simular to EDACS) I kept missing conversations on the older one. But now I have the problem under control.
As far as why you can hear canyon traffic without being in the canyon? Simple! UCAN is a SmartZone/OmniLink system meaning that all the site are linked together for widespread coverage. When a radio is on that "affiliates" to a particular site (ex: UHP officer in Parleys Canyon on patrol) traffic from that officers radio will come up on that particular site but since there are radios that are on the same channel also affiliate to other sites (like Nelson, SL Simo, UT Simo, etc) radio traffic will come up there as well.
Last year while up in Cache County (Logan) for the big rod run last July the UHP brings their motor patrol and DUI team up for crowd control and to help out the local police. The Logan Peak site had UHP traffic from both Salt Lake and Utah Counties on it for their radios were affiliting to the site. Kinda cool to hear what's going on a hundred miles south as well as the local hijinx at the same time. Hope this helps.
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qlajlu
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Thanks Junior1970 for answering my question(s). I didn't know how that would work.
qlajlu
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Well, we must have scared summit1 off or something. He hasn't posted since March 18th. Either that or he took the information he needed from Junior1970's post and just decided to run with it without letting us know if it worked for him. I am sure it solved his problem, but I would like to know that he got the information.
bneilson
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Junior1970 said:
Are you saying that one control channel covers that entire area, or the entire simulcast using multiple control channels?
KT7L
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I forgot about the old, Summit1 saga -- that dropped off the radar a while back.
Anyway, I live in Summit County, and successfully scan it every day, so I guess I can clarify what Junior1970 said....
Yes, the 866.9375 that is Wasatch Simocast replaces everything else! All the old CC's are simply gone! Yes, there are new TG's that I haven't ID'd, but that's another story.
I normally filter out the simocast from SLC, with the exception of AirMed TG's, and listen to Summit and Watsatch Co's. The Summit sherrif is NOT on UCAN, still VHF, but they are linked to the Wasatch Simocast, so you can monitor either way. I prefer not to mix conventional and trunking, so the 866.9375 CC takes care of everything.
I'll get around to asking about the un-ID'd one of these days -- most are new, higher numbers and don't have very much traffic. If anyone wants my TG list, or my un-Id hits, let me know, and I'll send direct.
-- Bob
Anyway, I live in Summit County, and successfully scan it every day, so I guess I can clarify what Junior1970 said....
Yes, the 866.9375 that is Wasatch Simocast replaces everything else! All the old CC's are simply gone! Yes, there are new TG's that I haven't ID'd, but that's another story.
I normally filter out the simocast from SLC, with the exception of AirMed TG's, and listen to Summit and Watsatch Co's. The Summit sherrif is NOT on UCAN, still VHF, but they are linked to the Wasatch Simocast, so you can monitor either way. I prefer not to mix conventional and trunking, so the 866.9375 CC takes care of everything.
I'll get around to asking about the un-ID'd one of these days -- most are new, higher numbers and don't have very much traffic. If anyone wants my TG list, or my un-Id hits, let me know, and I'll send direct.
-- Bob
Junior1970
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AB7ST said:
If that is the case then why does a lot of Summit S.O. car to car talkgroups show up on the UCAN system. When monitoring up there last fall the old VHF channels other than VHF patch (155.610) and the old fire channels were long since dormant....I believe before the Olympics even. Besides the S.O. deputy outside the music venue I was at had a Motorola MTS2000 radio on his belt which is an 800 Mhz radio....just curious.
I'd like to see your TG list however. Thanks for the input.
The Summmit County conventional SO repeater (155.610) is still very active and I believe used by UHP as well. It is always the busiest frequency when I pass between Evanston and Park City, including this past summer. -Tim
KT7L
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Agreed.... As Junior1970 points out, I can monitor C to C of the Summit Sherrif on UCAN, But the Summmit County conventional SO repeater (155.610) is still very active. I know they are linked, but can't explain why they still use a hybrid approach.
I guess I'll have to go over there for a visit soon -- I was planning on doing that anyway, as part of the buildup of the Tri-county Amateur Radio Grp's emergency communications planning....
-- Bob
I guess I'll have to go over there for a visit soon -- I was planning on doing that anyway, as part of the buildup of the Tri-county Amateur Radio Grp's emergency communications planning....
-- Bob
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