Toms River PD
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Danny6569
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it would be impossible to pick them up whether you have the nac code or not, all the nac code does is allow you to put in the code for the frequency, its sort of like a analog frequency as in using the ctcss codes or the dnc codes, but the difference is with the nac code is that its for digital only channels, to allow you to hear them whether there encrypted or not, if it is encrypted then youll just hear a bunch of noise but no talking, the only way you could unlock the encyption is too probly have some federal government equipment like they use to decode the terrorists and other bad people using secure radios.
it would be impossible to pick them up whether you have the nac code or not, all the nac code does is allow you to put in the code for the frequency, its sort of like a analog frequency as in using the ctcss codes or the dnc codes, but the difference is with the nac code is that its for digital only channels, to allow you to hear them whether there encrypted or not, if it is encrypted then youll just hear a bunch of noise but no talking, the only way you could unlock the encyption is too probly have some federal government equipment like they use to decode the terrorists and other bad people using secure radios.
DJ88
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The newer Uniden models (BCD396T and XT and 996T and XT) mute encrypted transmissions, so you won't hear anything except a brief burst of encryption at the beginning of the transmission. BTW, for anyone interested, the 396T and 996T don't have the NAC function.
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Septa3371CSX1
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This past Sunday I was in Toms River and did manage to catch some transmissions in the clear (but still digital). Appears there may be a handful of cars and/or portables that either don't have encryption or have selectable encryption.
montyw47
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Some of the "Toms River" police traffic may from be NJ State Police on GSP south of exit 83N, Ocean County Sheriff Dept. and local police surrounding T.R.;South Toms River P.D. isn't encrypted and is right across the Toms River,the P.D.s from Lakehurst, Manchester, Lakewood, Jackson, and Berkley Townships surround Toms River.I have been receiving EMS & Police traffic around 500.xxxMhz.
What encryption is used by police depts? Are they digital radios that do A/D conversion and encrypt that data? Can they massage the analog signal and transmit that scrambled format.
What encryption is used by police depts? Are they digital radios that do A/D conversion and encrypt that data? Can they massage the analog signal and transmit that scrambled format.
Toms River - Encryption etc.
Toms River (Formerly Dover Township) has all its P25 digtal law enforcement communications encrypted full time. In very rare instances they operate in the P25 "Open or Clear". The same is true for law enforcement operations in Brick and Jackson Townships. Manchester operates in P25 in the "Clear" for general operations but it dose encrypt "car to car" and "detective" talk groups.
In the early years some shore towns would use voice inversion or scrambling on their frequencies. This was still analog but inverted. I remember purchasing a device from "Don Nobles" that was tunable that you hooked in line with the scanner's external speaker and tune until the speech inversion was made clear.
However, with the passage of various and "communications acts and laws" and since 9/11 this device, the making, manufacturing, importation and possession of any other device that deciphers encrypted and scrambled communications is now highly illegal.
To do it legally you really need to be a member or officer of the agency that has it's communications encrypted and have their permission i.e. their radio. Otherwise perhaps consulting with a communications attorney may give you more advice than I. But that type of consultation costs $$.
So as much as any else one who would like "monitor" this traffic, you and I as a regular monitoring citizen simply can not do it legally
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You might also want to check the other forums on this subject to get various and different point of views.
Sadly, I hope this helps.
Toms River (Formerly Dover Township) has all its P25 digtal law enforcement communications encrypted full time. In very rare instances they operate in the P25 "Open or Clear". The same is true for law enforcement operations in Brick and Jackson Townships. Manchester operates in P25 in the "Clear" for general operations but it dose encrypt "car to car" and "detective" talk groups.
In the early years some shore towns would use voice inversion or scrambling on their frequencies. This was still analog but inverted. I remember purchasing a device from "Don Nobles" that was tunable that you hooked in line with the scanner's external speaker and tune until the speech inversion was made clear.
However, with the passage of various and "communications acts and laws" and since 9/11 this device, the making, manufacturing, importation and possession of any other device that deciphers encrypted and scrambled communications is now highly illegal.
To do it legally you really need to be a member or officer of the agency that has it's communications encrypted and have their permission i.e. their radio. Otherwise perhaps consulting with a communications attorney may give you more advice than I. But that type of consultation costs $$.
So as much as any else one who would like "monitor" this traffic, you and I as a regular monitoring citizen simply can not do it legally
.You might also want to check the other forums on this subject to get various and different point of views.
Sadly, I hope this helps.
fineshot1
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monty - most of the surrounding towns do not have two way radio models that support enc and
a lot are on the 500Mhz oc trunk system. The oc police have some talk groups that are enc.
All of this is digital enc for oc and below. Rarely is analog scrambling used anymore.
The NJ State pd radios are all 800Mhz trunking units.
Berkely twp is 800Mhz conventional repeaters with enc.
South TR and lakehurst pd are on the OC TRS but have no enc capable radios.
Lakewood pd has there own uhf repeaters with no enc capable radios.
Jackson pd has its own 500Mhz TRS but they use a different form of dig enc from oc.
Manchester twp has its own uhf trunking system with police talk groups with enc.
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"Lakewood pd has there own uhf repeaters with no enc capable radios."
If that were the case the dispatcher would not tell a unit to turn the encryption off as I have heard them from time to time.
If that were the case the dispatcher would not tell a unit to turn the encryption off as I have heard them from time to time.
radiomanNJ1
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One of the points not made clear is that P25 is not any form of encryption. it is a modulation format in conventinal. Trunking is another horse. Encyption can be in analog or digital. The newer radios from Motorola can be ordered with what is be referred to as $10 encyption is software based. It's very cheap does not require a key loader and it is secure as we have found out. The stupid postings about things that the cops did like calling in about what do you want for lunch and posting it sure has pushed encryption. Think about what you post remembering that when the dept. buys new radios the salesman will be quick to point out and sell encryption.
hulka
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"South TR and lakehurst pd are on the OC TRS but have no enc capable radios"
They were using MTS's but i think they switched to XTS's to which are both encryption capable radios. They either did not opt for the encryption, or it is not turn on.
They were using MTS's but i think they switched to XTS's to which are both encryption capable radios. They either did not opt for the encryption, or it is not turn on.
CompuDoc
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Perhaps they can use their cell phones for that kind of stuff. Personally I think the only time anything should be encrypted is when it comes to a surveillance situation. The public should have the right to know how their tax dollars are being spent and by having everything encrypted is not allowing them to do that. Thankfully their is nothing encrypted here where I live and if a LEO wants to have a private conversation with another LEO or headquarters they will tell them to call them on their cell. Encrypting things such as car accidents and their location actually does a disservice to the community because if a person knows where an accident is and they are heading in that direction they can take an alternate route before coming up to the scene or the traffic delay. I for one would like to know if an accident is up ahead so I can take an alternate route if one is available.
Encryption, how many times are you going to resurrect this dead horse and beat it to death again? Who is using it and who is not is useful information and so it was requested by the database administration, all else is rubbish.
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