Tracking UAS/Drone

[deltaleader]

Does anyone know of or have found information regarding the remote id standard coming out for drones in regards to the freqs it will broadcast on? Basically want to know if I will be able to pick them up with my 1090mhz receiver or if I need 978mhz? For whatever reason I cannot find this information.

 

[columbas]

That is a good question I believe everyone would and should like to know. For the drones that the everyday person would use you might find those frequencies on the box or instructions that it comes with. For companies or government most likely would-be encryption. I hope that someone on this forum can surely have some helpful on this subject. It would be to be able to see the live video while a person has one in the air over your air space seeing if they are being nosy LOL

 

[Thunderknight]

I don’t think it will be 978 or 1090 as the FAA actually ordered drones off 1090. (Some drones had ADSB encoders).
If I recall the remote ID was meant to be decoded with consumer type devices, I believe maybe Bluetooth, WiFi or some other kind of 2.4 GHz signal?

 

[deltaleader]

So I found startng at 27:00 mins, I think the answer from the FAA.

They are saying we will not see it on sites that track aircraft from what I understand.

 

[columbas]

Ok. I have serious question that I can not find an answer to on the net as of now. I have concerns about people flying drones ( private citizens). Over private property , meaning your neighbors property. Because I feel if they are doing so with video or the ability to take photos to me that would be an invasion of privacy. Now I know that we own a limited portion of air space over our homes and property. So is there any laws yet on the books for this yet. ?? There should be if not. Drones have the ability to hover at a window or glass door and see in . Personally I wouldn’t want someone doing this while family is sun bathing or in the pool. There are people out there that would do this. Then post it on social media web sites. Think it’s funny to do

 

[belvdr]

Now I know that we own a limited portion of air space over our homes and property.

No citizen owns/controls any airspace over their property. I have not heard of any laws on privacy in my area. I’m sure some localities have done so though.

 

[columbas]

In Florida some years ago a retired Nasa engineer made a satellite tv device that would receive and decode the tv signals being sent. Of course they tried to stop him. They filed a law suit against this NASA Engineer. His argument was that he had the right to a certain amount of air space over his property and therefore the right to receive any signal that came onto his property that did not have permission to transmit Well. The court ruled in his favor about the signal coming to him through his air space. Over his property. I think if I remember right that limit is about 100 foot. Now I also know that a person flying a personal aircraft has space limits to how low he can fly over a persons property. How do I know this. I have a friend that is a doctor that lost his license for doing this. He got reported by over 100 people for doing so. If no one owned any space over their property how can people build two or three story homes. Or businesses build condos. Why is it that if you build or erect a radio tower once you get to 100 foot or so you have to put a light on top.

 

[columbas]

I am sure there will be people filling lawsuits over these drones I guess we will know when they rule we all will find out what the ruling will be at that time. Any way. For me. My neighbors are good respectful neighbors that would not do this. I nor I to them . I own about 5 acres 4 of it is forest. So I don’t have to worry for now. All on here have a Happy New year from this old man and his family.

 

[RaleighGuy]

Does anyone know of or have found information regarding the remote id standard coming out for drones in regards to the freqs it will broadcast on? Basically want to know if I will be able to pick them up with my 1090mhz receiver or if I need 978mhz? For whatever reason I cannot find this information.

All drone pilots required to register, including those who fly for fun, for business, or for public safety, must operate their drone in accordance with the final rule on remote ID beginning September 16, 2023...and be broadcast by wifi or bluetooth. One of several receivers is the DroneTag Mini App (Dronetag - Apps on Google Play), the info is transmitted via Bluetooth to up to 1.5 km (0.9 miles). More info is in the bottom links below.

This rule prohibits use of ADS-B Out and transponders for UAS operations under 14 CFR part 107 unless otherwise authorized by the FAA, and defines when ADS-B Out is appropriate for UAS operating under part 91. So it will normally not be on 1090 or 978 as @Thunderknight said.

Remote Identification for Drone Pilots | Federal Aviation Administration

UAS Remote ID Drones or unmanned aircraft systems (UAS) are fundamentally changing aviation, and the FAA is committed to working to fully integrate drones into the National Airspace System (NAS). Safety and security are top priorities for the FAA and remote identification (remote ID) of drones...

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https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/2021-08/RemoteID_Final_Rule.pdf

Dronetag

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[belvdr]

In Florida some years ago a retired Nasa engineer made a satellite tv device that would receive and decode the tv signals being sent. Of course they tried to stop him. They filed a law suit against this NASA Engineer. His argument was that he had the right to a certain amount of air space over his property and therefore the right to receive any signal that came onto his property that did not have permission to transmit Well. The court ruled in his favor about the signal coming to him through his air space. Over his property. I think if I remember right that limit is about 100 foot. Now I also know that a person flying a personal aircraft has space limits to how low he can fly over a persons property. How do I know this. I have a friend that is a doctor that lost his license for doing this. He got reported by over 100 people for doing so. If no one owned any space over their property how can people build two or three story homes. Or businesses build condos. Why is it that if you build or erect a radio tower once you get to 100 foot or so you have to put a light on top.

If a structure is over a certain height, the FAA has to approve it. The light is required so pilots don’t fly into it.

There’s a significant difference in flying a plane really low and flying a drone really low.

None of this has anything to do with privacy. A drone can be flown a few feet over a fence in your yard. That’s perfectly legal, according to the rules. It’s not a neighborly thing to do though.

 

[jeepsandradios]

While I agree you are supposed to register your xyz drone in reality it doesn't happen. Kinda like supposed to get a GMRS or Ham license to use your baofeng. Some do many dont.

 

[dlwtrunked]

Ok. I have serious question that I can not find an answer to on the net as of now. I have concerns about people flying drones ( private citizens). Over private property , meaning your neighbors property. Because I feel if they are doing so with video or the ability to take photos to me that would be an invasion of privacy. Now I know that we own a limited portion of air space over our homes and property. So is there any laws yet on the books for this yet. ?? There should be if not. Drones have the ability to hover at a window or glass door and see in . Personally I wouldn’t want someone doing this while family is sun bathing or in the pool. There are people out there that would do this. Then post it on social media web sites. Think it’s funny to do

Taking photos only becomes an issue if there is *expectation of privacy*. If you can see your pool from the street there is not expectation. If window is facing public property it has been complex and even sometimes comes down to what kind of camera. With the right camera, an airplane can take nice photos of you from the air from several miles away and not over your property--the legality gets messy--are you going to bar zoom lenses or airplanes? You would be amazed at what can be done with the right camera from 10 mile away in the right weather. The "space" over your property (no matter how high you may think you own) is not the real issue; if one wants true privacy, the only guarantee is to close your curtains and stay inside. In my case, a neighbor 3 house away swore at me about not taking any photos of him as I was just carrying a camera in my hand at waste level in my own front yard as I took it to my car.

 

[krokus]

How long until there is thrUASRemoteIDExchange website?

 

[kentshaw]

Ok. I have serious question that I can not find an answer to on the net as of now. I have concerns about people flying drones ( private citizens). Over private property , meaning your neighbors property. Because I feel if they are doing so with video or the ability to take photos to me that would be an invasion of privacy. Now I know that we own a limited portion of air space over our homes and property. So is there any laws yet on the books for this yet. ?? There should be if not. Drones have the ability to hover at a window or glass door and see in . Personally I wouldn’t want someone doing this while family is sun bathing or in the pool. There are people out there that would do this. Then post it on social media web sites. Think it’s funny to do

I am a licensed drone operator (Part 107 UAS) and am a private pilot. Generally, you do not have any controls over overflights of your property unless you can prove that they are used to invade privacy or violating any of the FAA rules. Hoovering over a pool while in use or hoovering outside a window and facing the window may be grounds for a complaint but not overflying a house. You do not want to make any false reports in this regard because the drone will have a video of its flight to refute those allegations. You can bar them from takeoffs and landings on your property. If you attempt to disable the drones, then the FAA will treat that almost the same as an attack on an airliner. One of our Senators proposed a law barring flights below 200 ft AGL but that never happened. Drone operators are generally limited to 400 ft AGL but can request waivers from that rule from the FAA. The drones have to be within line of site of the operator and I set mine to stay withing 1600 feet of the controller.

 

[kentshaw]

Does anyone know of or have found information regarding the remote id standard coming out for drones in regards to the freqs it will broadcast on? Basically want to know if I will be able to pick them up with my 1090mhz receiver or if I need 978mhz? For whatever reason I cannot find this information.

The transponder requirement is slowly being phased in and some drones, like mine, have the necessary hardware for the transponder requiremtn but firmware updates to activate it have not been released. These definitely will not use the ADS-B frequencies. DJI, one of the largest manufacturers has a system which can track drones and that service is made available to Law Enforcement and the FAA for enforcement actions. Those show the location of the drone as well as the drone controller.

 

[RaleighGuy]

The Federal Communications Commission today proposed rules to enable wireless communications for unmanned aircraft system use in the 5030-5091 MHz band. Guess that will make it hard to track them.