Turris Communications - PushPlus Network (UHF 201)

IdleMonitor · Jan 26, 2018

PriorMike said:
In addition to the two Pakenham frequencies listed above, the TAFL shows 456.3250 and 456.8750 under the same location and license number. I wanted to add them into under the same site and see if anything comes up.

Same thing for the Burnstown site. There is also more freq's for the Renfew MotoTrbo VHF system under Burnstown in the TAFL.

456 Mhz I believe are input frequencies.

Burnstown I think only has 2 frequencies. I haven't had any problems listening to. It's also one of my closest towers to listen to.

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PriorMike · Jan 26, 2018

Fair enough, I'll leave them out.

DaveH · Jan 26, 2018

In the 450-470 band, repeater inputs offsets are +4.9875, +5.0000, or +5.0125 MHz (normally); same for 421-425MHz, and 410-414MHz.

In the 420-421MHz sub-band, offset is -11.0000MHz (409-410MHz).

As noted, skip over input frequencies.

Dave

IdleMonitor · Feb 22, 2018

So today, while out and about I was able to do some scanning and was able to do some on the following system.

https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=8045&siteSort=county#sites

My findings.

Site 005 - Franktown - VAV670 - http://tafl.mckie.ca/?query=VAV670&prov=ON
LCN 1 is 422.2375 CC - 1
LCN 2 is 422.4125 CC - 1

I've submitted that to the database. Should I put the following in my programming as well? It's under the same license, but could be a different system I don't know -- 854.5875, 854.8375

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Site 002 - Kanata - as per license CGS610 - TAFL Search Results

422.3125 LCN 2 CC - 2
422.6250 LCN 3 CC - 2

no hit on 423.6625 and nothing on the others here -- 452.8375, 461.5250, 462.1125

The RR Database shows
462.1125 LCN 1
452.8375 LCN 3
462.1125 LCN 5

The database shows Site 002 as The Heart Institute Building the licence says KANATA, ON (7307 CAMPEAU DR.). Which is it? Given I was in Arnprior mobile while recieving this. I'd like to say perhaps it's Kanata.

What do we have goin on here with site 002?

One last question. On systems like this, can different sites have different colour codes? Or should they be all the same for the system? It appears they can be different to me. I'm not sure though. Thought someone might be able to explain that part to me.

mciupa · Feb 22, 2018

IdleMonitor said:
So today, while out and about I was able to do some scanning

That's the best way to double check our systems.

I looked at Site 2's submission. It was from 2014. It was probably being tested back then. No Colour Codes were reported. Let's go with your confirmation.

I also discovered that there was an Ottawa submission by another member sitting un-owned for a week. I put those talkgroups in the database.

If anyone feels like they are waiting too long for a submission to be worked, contact me and I'll look into it.

IdleMonitor · Feb 22, 2018

Thanks for going ahead and updating the Kanata site, I wasn't sure on how to approach that one. I'll keep an eye on the other frequencies associated with it and a few others next time I'm within the area to receive the signals.

There could be more updates to this system, the beginning of this thread I listed the most recent frequencies and licence info that could be easily updated if there are folks within listening range of them throughout eastern ontario.

mciupa said:
That's the best way to double check our systems.

I looked at Site 2's submission. It was from 2014. It was probably being tested back then. No Colour Codes were reported. Let's go with your confirmation.

I also discovered that there was an Ottawa submission by another member sitting un-owned for a week. I put those talkgroups in the database.

If anyone feels like they are waiting too long for a submission to be worked, contact me and I'll look into it.

gary123 · Feb 23, 2018

Yes different sites can have different color codes.

I have also seen situations where the site was originally licenced for 5 freqs but only 3 or 4 are in use. Often the site operator no longer is using the missing freq and IC or what ever name their using today is 'holding' the allocation open for future expansion. Thats why the unused freq is still in the TAFL data base.

DaveH · Feb 23, 2018

IdleMonitor said:
So today, while out and about I was able to do some scanning and was able to do some on the following system.

https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=8045&siteSort=county#sites

My findings.

Site 005 - Franktown - VAV670 - TAFL Search Results
LCN 1 is 422.2375 CC - 1
LCN 2 is 422.4125 CC - 1

I've submitted that to the database. Should I put the following in my programming as well? It's under the same license, but could be a different system I don't know -- 854.5875, 854.8375

The Franktown 854MHz frequencies are for a long-gone LTR system. Frequencies are not part
of the System 201, and inactive as far as I know (someone may want to double-check).

Dave

https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=4260

IdleMonitor · Feb 23, 2018

DaveH said:
The Franktown 854MHz frequencies are for a long-gone LTR system. Frequencies are not part
of the System 201, and inactive as far as I know (someone may want to double-check).

Dave

https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=4260

Ok good to know Dave. I didn't think it was something to worry about.

Thanks.

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DaveH · Feb 25, 2018

IdleMonitor said:
no hit on 423.6625 and nothing on the others here -- 452.8375, 461.5250, 462.1125

The RR Database shows
462.1125 LCN 1
452.8375 LCN 3
462.1125 LCN 5

The database shows Site 002 as The Heart Institute Building the licence says KANATA, ON (7307 CAMPEAU DR.). Which is it? Given I was in Arnprior mobile while recieving this. I'd like to say perhaps it's Kanata.
.

What I find:

452.8375 -> Site 11 (listed)
461.5250 -> Site 3
462.1125 -> Site 4

Sometimes frequencies don't match the sites in IC database. RR DB may be slightly off.

Dave

mciupa · Feb 25, 2018

Without LCN's, edits or corrections cannot be made for Sites 3 & 4.

mmisk · Feb 26, 2018

Here are the frequencies for site 3

The fourth frequency is not in the DB

Running it now and it is tracking to the frequencies shown:

201-3
Con+, 201, 3, 1, 461.5875, 0.0, 0
Con+, 201, 3, 3, 460.7875, 0.0, 0
Con+, 201, 3, 5, 451.6875, 0.0, 0
Con+, 201, 3, 7, 461.5250, 0.0, 0
--------------------------------------------------
201-4 is tracking correctly to the frequencies below.

The fourth frequency is not in the DB

201-4 Crosswinds
Con+, 201, 4, 1, 461.46250, 0.0, 0
Con+, 201, 4, 3, 463.23750, 0.0, 0
Con+, 201, 4, 5, 451.52500, 0.0, 0
Con+, 201, 4, 7, 462.11250, 0.0, 0
-------------------------------------------------

201-11 Metcalfe, is tracking correctly to the frequencies below.

201-11 Metcalfe (316852 and 323996 sounds like School Bus)
Con+, 201, 11, 1, 451.56250, 0.0, 0
Con+, 201, 11, 3, 462.83750, 0.0, 0
Con+, 201, 11, 5, 452.83750, 0.0, 0

IdleMonitor · Feb 26, 2018

Thanks for the other updates. Hopefully more will come our way.

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mmisk · Feb 27, 2018

You are welcome.
I have started listening site by site to confirm the correct tracking of frequencies in the DB.
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So for site 1, the frequencies are all correct but the LCN for the fourth frequency should be 07 instead of 9.
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Listening to Site 2 (Kanata) now.
It is tracking the following frequencies correctly:
Con+, 201, 2, 1, 423.6625, 0.0, 0
Con+, 201, 2, 3, 422.3125, 0.0, 0
Con+, 201, 2, 5, 422.6250, 0.0, 0
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Site 7, Rockland is tracking the two frequencies in the DB correctly.
It never selects a third frequency, so it is likely a two frequency site.
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Site 10 Kemptville is tracking the two frequencies in the DB correctly. No third frequency so far.
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IdleMonitor · Feb 27, 2018

Confused here for a moment.

Site 3, you show 1,3,5,7 are those the LCN? The database and my programming I have the LCN as 1,2,3,4 What do I put in the radio?

Site 4 same thing. You have 1,3,5,7 database shows 1,2,3,4, I have 1,3,5,7 for programming.

Just getting confused all of a sudden between 1 2 3 4 and 1 3 5 7 etc...you get my jist. I just want to make sure I have them in my radio correctly.

mmisk said:
Here are the frequencies for site 3

The fourth frequency is not in the DB

Running it now and it is tracking to the frequencies shown:

201-3
Con+, 201, 3, 1, 461.5875, 0.0, 0
Con+, 201, 3, 3, 460.7875, 0.0, 0
Con+, 201, 3, 5, 451.6875, 0.0, 0
Con+, 201, 3, 7, 461.5250, 0.0, 0
--------------------------------------------------
201-4 is tracking correctly to the frequencies below.

The fourth frequency is not in the DB

201-4 Crosswinds
Con+, 201, 4, 1, 461.46250, 0.0, 0
Con+, 201, 4, 3, 463.23750, 0.0, 0
Con+, 201, 4, 5, 451.52500, 0.0, 0
Con+, 201, 4, 7, 462.11250, 0.0, 0
-------------------------------------------------

201-11 Metcalfe, is tracking correctly to the frequencies below.

201-11 Metcalfe (316852 and 323996 sounds like School Bus)
Con+, 201, 11, 1, 451.56250, 0.0, 0
Con+, 201, 11, 3, 462.83750, 0.0, 0
Con+, 201, 11, 5, 452.83750, 0.0, 0

IdleMonitor · Feb 27, 2018

Tafl shows Site 27 as 1408 Woodroffe which is somewhere around Algonquin College. Can anyone confirm?

TAFL Search Results

Site 16 as Montebello, Quebec

http://tafl.mckie.ca/?query=CKH477&prov=QC

Site 28 Calumet, Quebec 422.550 & 423.6375

http://tafl.mckie.ca/?query=CKZ255&prov=QC

mciupa · Feb 27, 2018

IdleMonitor said:
Confused here for a moment.

Site 3, you show 1,3,5,7 are those the LCN? The database and my programming I have the LCN as 1,2,3,4 What do I put in the radio?

Site 4 same thing. You have 1,3,5,7 database shows 1,2,3,4, I have 1,3,5,7 for programming.

Just getting confused all of a sudden between 1 2 3 4 and 1 3 5 7 etc...you get my jist. I just want to make sure I have them in my radio correctly.

The 1,3,5,7 are LSN

Code:

Site 3

Site Frequency Table

LCN	LSN	Frequency	
01	[COLOR="Red"]1[/COLOR]	461.5875	
01	2	461.5875	
02	[COLOR="red"]3[/COLOR]	460.7875
02	4	460.7875	
03	[COLOR="red"]5[/COLOR]	451.6875	
03	6	451.6875	 
04	[COLOR="red"]7[/COLOR]	461.525	
04	8	461.525

Click on each site on the Turris Page and this table will pop up. Enter the LCN in your scanner.

IdleMonitor · Feb 27, 2018

Ok thanks, ya just got a bit confused over all that. So ya I'll double check my sites with the database by clicking on each one to make sure.

mciupa said:
The 1,3,5,7 are LSN

Code:

Site 3 Site Frequency Table LCN LSN Frequency 01 [COLOR=Red]1[/COLOR] 461.5875 01 2 461.5875 02 [COLOR=red]3[/COLOR] 460.7875 02 4 460.7875 03 [COLOR=red]5[/COLOR] 451.6875 03 6 451.6875 04 [COLOR=red]7[/COLOR] 461.525 04 8 461.525

Click on each site on the Turris Page and this table will pop up. Enter the LCN in your scanner.

mmisk · Feb 28, 2018

RE: Tafl shows Site 27 as 1408 Woodroffe which is somewhere around Algonquin College. Can anyone confirm?

Hello Mr. IdleMonitor,

Looking at Site 27 now.
The control frequency is 461.2875 it this time.
I don't know what other frequencies are associated with this site but will I will keep watching it.
This is not near me at all, so perhaps someone closer can help.

Mike

EDIT: There is a TG 3310343, that sounds like Security

IdleMonitor · Mar 29, 2018

Site 001 Place de Ville Tower I believe has a new frequency added to it. I couldn't get the LCN though but I did get the following:

462.237500 CC1 Site 1 Net 201 Con

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