Sentinel: Unable to add single frequency to sentinel

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ih784

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Good morning,

I’m having an issue with sentinel. Whenever I add any department or frequency in sentinel, the entire viper list loads. I know it’s possible I have done it before using viper. I deleted my favorites lists and started from scratch. Any idea what the issue could be? I can add other channels individually but not VIPER.
 

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Thus why I prefer Proscan over Sentinel for programming, you're already a RR premium subscriber which is a prerequisite. It gives you more selectivity to add only the objects you want to add. No unnecessary removal of things you don't want. 30 day fully functional trial, then $50.00 gets you two activations & unlimited updates
 

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What are you trying to add? A conventional freq or a talk group?
I am just trying to add a talk group. However, when I click on the individual talk group inside viper to append to favorites the entire viper group add to the list. It did not used to do this. As a work around, I attempted to edit that favorite list and remove the individual Viper groups that I did not want. After doing that, nothing on viper would scan.
 

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Its better to import the whole system and delete or avoid everything of non interest.

It can be done the other way and I believe your doing something wrong. I just navigated to my counties trunked system and appended a single talk group that was in a department with 8 others. It only appended the one tg I chose and it also imported all sites.
 

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Its better to import the whole system and delete or avoid everything of non interest.

It can be done the other way and I believe your doing something wrong. I just navigated to my counties trunked system and appended a single talk group that was in a department with 8 others. It only appended the one tg I chose and it also imported all sites.
I know you’re right. The issue is that when I avoided the unnecessary channels (vast majority of viper) none of the viper channels I kept would scan. Now, when I don’t avoid anything… everything scans even the channels that wouldn’t scan when omitting the majority of viper.
 

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Its pulling in the 1 tg no problem. It does pull in all the sites, 242 of them. It has always pulled in sites when appending a tg or multiple tg's, so that's not new.

So follow the steps from my pics, then go in the sites tab and delete all that you do not want.

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I did it! I swear I was able to cherry pick which viper channels I wanted before. Anyway, I added the entire list and deleted accordingly. I’m in Camden NC and was listening to Charolette last night while scanning 800-900 or so. Then I lost the ability to hear my favorites and my signal dropped to nothing. I found out what a cold solder joint was lol. It’s working fine now. Hoping that’s not the case.
 

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If you delete them and ever add another TG in the future, it will do the same and import all sites,

If you avoid it will not be imported in the future and will stay avoided.
 

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Nice. Thank you. I removed them from the list but will avoid them in the future.
 

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If you delete them and ever add another TG in the future, it will do the same and import all sites,

If you avoid it will not be imported in the future and will stay avoided.
That's not exactly true.

Using a regional system, in my area (DFW Metro), I can append only a single TGID.

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That appends only the selected TGID, but all the sites. (This, of course, is not a statewide system with perhaps a hundred or more sites, but the process is the same.)

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Now, I can go back & eliminate all of the unwanted sites.

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That leaves the selected TGID, and only the Dallas Layer 1 & 2 sites, which are used by the City, and County, of Dallas, along with several other smaller cities.

Now, I go back to the database, & select another talkgroup to add to the same system.

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That appends the selected talkgroup (which includes the department it resides in), but it does not append all of the sites once again.
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The key here is that, as long as you do not change the system's name, Sentinel will let you append another selected talkgroup, without dragging the excess sites over again.

Had I edited the system's name to shorten it, say to just the initials NTIRN, then the next append will include all of the sites, plus the selected TGID or Department.
I edit the name to just the initials.
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Now, back to the database to append yet another selected TGID. The system, already in the list, was renamed to simply NTIRN. But, I'm appending from the main database, where the system retains it's complete name.
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Now, looking at the selected list in the Favorites editor, there are two systems.
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The system that I renamed, NTIRN, has the two previous TGID appends, and only the desired two sites.

The third appended TGID, is appended with the original name (as in the database), and all of the sites. Had I not changed the system name (from the initial two appends), all three TGIDs would be in the non-renamed system, with only the desired two sites.

I am just trying to add a talk group. However, when I click on the individual talk group inside viper to append to favorites the entire viper group add to the list. It did not used to do this. As a work around, I attempted to edit that favorite list and remove the individual Viper groups that I did not want. After doing that, nothing on viper would scan.

As Whiskey3 noted above (post 3), the better way to accomplish exactly what you want is to use software to import only what you want. You're already a Premium Subscriber, so ProScan can selectively import just the talkgroups & sites that you want. I (I prefer ProScan, but ARC536 is capable of doing this as well.)

You have three choices in dealing with the additional, unwanted, sites.

You can manually set the ones you don't want to Avoid, so that they are not scanned.
Or
Use Location Control on your Favorites list. The location & range you specify only scan the sites in your area (based on the location & range settings you use).
Or
Delete all the sites that you do not want or need, which is my preference.

Note that, once you've done your initial append, you can append additional TGIDs without the excess baggage of unwanted sites. But you cannot go back & append one of the other sites to your list, once you have deleted them. You can do the 'rename' of your working system, then the sites will append to the system as named in the database. Here again, tho, software makes it much easier to extract (import) exactly what you want, to exactly where you want it.
 

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I deleted the sites as well. I haven’t used ProScan a lot. Also, as noted I can’t go back and append once deleted. Thank you for confirming that. I liked being able to remove duplicates but haven’t done much else. Thanks for your post!
 
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