Unable to hear local digital PD

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jimbardwell

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I'm new to this forum. I have a HomePatrol II, but can't hear my local PD or Fire or Gregg County Sheriff's Office or DPS. They have all gone digital, that is why I bought the new scanner.
How do I program my new scanner to hear these groups? Radio Reference shows them as still on analog. What can I do?
Thank you for in advance for any suggestions.
JIM
 

hiegtx

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I'm new to this forum. I have a HomePatrol II, but can't hear my local PD or Fire or Gregg County Sheriff's Office or DPS. They have all gone digital, that is why I bought the new scanner.
How do I program my new scanner to hear these groups? Radio Reference shows them as still on analog. What can I do?
Thank you for in advance for any suggestions.
JIM

Hi Jim

Welcome to RadioReference.

Looking at the FCC database, I see that the PD is licensed for digital usage on their dispatch channel, 155.2500. While the RadioReference database shows them as still analog (and that's what would be in the Home Patrol's data as well), the database is driven & updated via user submissions. So, if they have made a change to digital, then someone in the area needs to verify that & submit the information, so that it can be updated. The city also has another frequency, 155.925, that is not listed in the database on RadioReference. No idea what they are using it for. WPTF845 (GLADEWATER, CITY OF) FCC Callsign Details That license does include digital usage authorization.

For Gregg County, none of the licenses currently listed for them in the database include digital emissions codes. However, they possibly could be using digital without updating their license. I found that same thing being done in both Erath County & Stephenville. No digital emissions codes were authorized, but both were using their frequencies as digital anyway.

The county does have one license whose frequency is not listed on the database here. WQLC274 (GREGG, COUNTY OF) FCC Callsign Details

Frequency 151.445 is licensed for a repeater, but also shows the codes for MOTOTRBO. If they are using TRBO, there is no scanner that will decode that, although it can be done with a pc, an SDR dongle, and software. To verify if there is any usage on there, try this:
From the Main Menu, press Advanced
Press 'Quick Frequency Entry' on the Advanced Menu page.
Enter the frequency, then press Accept.
You're now monitoring that single frequency.

If you hear voice traffic, see what it sounds like the usage might be. Law Enforcement? Fire? Public Works or Utilities (like the water department. If you can confirm usage and what type, submit that to the database on the Gregg County page so that it can be added, and thus will show online, as well as be present in the HP-1's data once the update takes place. If you hear what sounds lie a buzzing or rumbling sound, that might be MOTOTRBO.

You can do the same for the unlisted frequency. 155.925, for the Gladewater. For that channel, you can add it to your favorites list using Sentinel. Then, once you write the updated list to the HP-1, it'll be scanned. This can be done as well for the PD's 155.250. If you hear voice traffic, it's in use. If you were not hearing anything on 155.250 during scanning, but do via using Quick Entry, then they may be using the existing frequency as P25 (digital). For the other frequencies, both Gladewater & the county, in Sentinel, add a new line for each frequency, and set it as Digital, NAC Search (that's under the Audio Option). I would also suggest adding an alert tone so that the scanner will beep or chirp at you, letting you know it found something, which is handy if you are not looking at the display when something comes across. The tone is basically an attention getter, so that you can take a look at the screen, and if it finds a NAC code in use, you can note it both for entering in your Favorites list, as well as submitting updated information. You cannot directly add a frequency to the scanner itself, unless you have the Extreme Upgrade, but you can do this via Sentinel.

Lastly, for the County, take a look at one of the deputies vehicles if you can. If it has a very short antenna on it, in addition to longer ones, the county might have started using TxWARN P25, as Longview does. You can change that system to ID Search, instead of ID Scan, using Sentinel, and see if anything new comes up.
 

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Local police scanner frequencies

Thank you very much for your answers.
It ha been very frustrating, especially since we are the local newspaper and need to know what is happening when a squad car races past the office, without having to call dispatch every time.

Our chief gave me these frequencies (see below) and I called Uniden to see if they could help me program them into the HomePatrol II. They said I needed more information.


The frequency is Rx 155.2500, Tx 156.0000
Analog PL tone 107.2
Digital NAC 129. HEX

Hopefully I can get this resolved. I'm not very savvy when it comes to scanner programming.
 

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Is TxWARN P25 Encrypted .......

There are scattered talkgroups that are encrypted, particularly the Phase II ones used by Houston PD & FD. However, those two also simulcast their dispatch TGID's in the clear, using Phase I P25.

Just scan the long talkgroups list for "E" in the mode column. There are others beside Houston listed as encrypted.
 

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Our chief gave me these frequencies (see below) and I called Uniden to see if they could help me program them into the HomePatrol II. They said I needed more information.


The frequency is Rx 155.2500, Tx 156.0000
Analog PL tone 107.2
Digital NAC 129. HEX

Hopefully I can get this resolved. I'm not very savvy when it comes to scanner programming.

Not sure on the programming side of the HP, but the other night i was picking up a digital signal on the Gladewater PD frequency of 155.2500 with a NAC of 129, digital signal kept dropping out from my location, so couldn't confirm if it was Gladewater or not but seems to match what you have. Have no clue about the FD and Gregg County, may be heading down that way the sometime toward the end of the week, i'll see if i can find out further.
 

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Not sure on the programming side of the HP, but the other night i was picking up a digital signal on the Gladewater PD frequency of 155.2500 with a NAC of 129, digital signal kept dropping out from my location, so couldn't confirm if it was Gladewater or not but seems to match what you have. Have no clue about the FD and Gregg County, may be heading down that way the sometime toward the end of the week, i'll see if i can find out further.

Thank you very much for your answers.
It ha been very frustrating, especially since we are the local newspaper and need to know what is happening when a squad car races past the office, without having to call dispatch every time.

Our chief gave me these frequencies (see below) and I called Uniden to see if they could help me program them into the HomePatrol II. They said I needed more information.


The frequency is Rx 155.2500, Tx 156.0000
Analog PL tone 107.2
Digital NAC 129. HEX

Hopefully I can get this resolved. I'm not very savvy when it comes to scanner programming.
Jim,

See the attached Favorites list file. Besides adding a digital entry, based on you & Boulder's comments (155.250, NAC 129), I also added 'digital search' lines for the county frequencies, plus an entry for 151.445, which as I noted above is licensed to the Gregg County, but has never been submitted to the database. As I said in the earlier post, if you just hear sort of a buzzing noise on 151.445, then they are using MOTOTRBO, which no scanner will receive. Lock it out (Avoid is the term used for the HP series), and/or delete it next time you do something in Sentinel.

I also added Upshur and Smith County, as well as the TxWARN P25 sites and talkgroups in your area. You're close enough to Smith County that you might hear activity. TxDPS is also in there. If one or more channels and/or talkgroups don;t interest you, Avoid them on the scanner, also, in Sentinel, either set them to Avoid or delete them.

To use the file:
First, save the file Gladewater area.hpe.txt to your pc where you have Sentinel installed.
Either when saving, or after it's been saved, delete the '.txt' off the end of the file name. I had to add that to conform to forum procedures as to what file types can be uploaded.

You need to end up with a file simply named Gladewater area.hpe
Note where you saved it.
Now, start Sentinel.
Select File
From the drop-down File menu, select "Import from hpe file"
You'll first be asked what Favorites list you want to import into. I would suggest selecting "New Favorites List", then enter a name that you are not already using.
Select the list, or create a new name, then you'll get a pop-up window to find the file to import.
From the dialog window that comes up, browse to the folder (or desktop) where the file is saved.
Select the Gladewater area file
Follow the prompts on screen to import it.

Once you have the file imported to a Favorites list, go to the Profile Editor (that's the icon at the top of the screen that looks like a pencil over a tablet) and make sure the new Favorites list is set to both download & be monitored.

Once you've done that, download the file to the scanner.

See how that works, and if I guessed fairly correctly.
 
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scannut

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unable to hear gladewater freq.

I haven't ben able to hear gladewater pd lately either. I will try these suggetions to see if it works.thanks to every one, I hope it works.!
 

riflemin

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Gregg Co db has been updated

I would refer readers to scannut's thread in which he asked a similar question posted Feb 8. I submitted updates in December. They are now in the db.
Two comments:
1) Gregg County has P25 capable radios, but claim they are not changing. Longview is P25 on TxWARN. Kilgore and Gladewater PDs went P25 but not encrypted. All fire departments use P25 at least part-time.
2) LPD uses encryption on PDSecure1, PD2 (records check), SWAT, CODE, and probably "hostage" talk groups.
 
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