Unitrunker + MPT 1327

[SCPD]

Hi Rick,

Thanks for your continued improvements to a great piece of software.

I am wondering if you or others know if it is possible to have MPT sites grouped under one system to which they actually belong? At the moment, when I log a number of sites which belong to the one system, they show up as seperate systems in the UT systems tab. It would be great to be able to group sites under one system.

Also having issues with UT not wanting to correctly ID control channels on MPT systems too.

Attached is an example of what is happening - a screen shot and log file for the Ferny Creek site in Melbourne from the SMR (Victoria, Australia). It for some reason constantly wants to make ch 304 the control channel. This is not right though it is a voice channel for this site (chan 304 = 165.2375), with the correct cc of 165.0250 (chan 238). I have tried deleting the 304 and adding 238 but as soon as you delete or uncheck 304 as a cc, it reappears in the list???

Thanks

 

[Comint]

I am wondering if you or others know if it is possible to have MPT sites grouped under one system to which they actually belong?

Technically, in an MPT1327 Network, each Site is a System - 58c9 is the System ID for Ferny Creek (Dunns Hill), 5891 is the System ID for 101 Collins Street.

Also having issues with UT not wanting to correctly ID control channels on MPT systems too.

Attached is an example of what is happening - a screen shot and log file for the Ferny Creek site in Melbourne from the SMR (Victoria, Australia). It for some reason constantly wants to make ch 304 the control channel. This is not right though it is a voice channel for this site (chan 304 = 165.2375), with the correct cc of 165.0250 (chan 238). I have tried deleting the 304 and adding 238 but as soon as you delete or uncheck 304 as a cc, it reappears in the list???

Just out of curiousity, are you using the full SMR Custom Band Plan, or just a Custom Band Plan specifically for that Site. Also, do you have 164.7125 MHz as Ch 213 or Ch 214.

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Comint

 

[SCPD]

I am wondering if you or others know if it is possible to have MPT sites grouped under one system to which they actually belong?

There is a mechanism to support this. It is not exposed through the UI but if you exit the program and hand-edit the XML - it is possible for one system to share idents (group and radio IDs) with another system.

Somewhere in the Unitrunker.xml file you will find a pair of system tags for the two MPT1327 systems.

<System type="MPT1327" id="5891" .... >
<Talkgroup ... />
<RadioId ... />
</System>
<System type="MPT1327" id="58C9" .... >
<Talkgroup ... />
<RadioId ... />
</System>

You'll want to move all the Talkgroup tags and RadioId tags under system (58C9) to the other (5891) and add a delegate attribute that points to the system holding this shared information.

<System type="MPT1327" id="5891" .... >
<Talkgroup ... />
<Talkgroup ... />
<RadioId ... />
<RadioId ... />
</System>
<System type="MPT1327" id="58C9" delegate="5891" .... >
</System>

To recover from a botched edit, make a copy and/or use the Archive tab's "Take Me Back" button to revert to an older revision.

Also having issues with UT not wanting to correctly ID control channels on MPT systems too.

No idea what is going on here. Please post a decode log. See the link below for instructions to enable decode logging.

UniTrunker | Log Files

 

[Comint]

You'll want to move all the Talkgroup tags and RadioId tags under system (58C9) to the other (5891) and add a delegate attribute that points to the system holding this shared information.

<System type="MPT1327" id="5891" .... >
<Talkgroup ... />
<Talkgroup ... />
<RadioId ... />
<RadioId ... />
</System>
<System type="MPT1327" id="58C9" delegate="5891" .... >
</System>

Is it only one delegation, or can I repeat the last step for the other 100 or so Systems in the Network.
eg.,

<System type="MPT1327" id="5B41" delegate="5891" .... >
</System>
<System type="MPT1327" id="5C61" delegate="5891" .... >
</System>
<System type="MPT1327" id="5E59" delegate="5891" .... >
</System>
etc.

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Comint

 

[SCPD]

OK, thanks guys, I won't try the delegate thing just yet, see if I can get the cc decode problem sorted.

Rick, attached should be the S and R logs for the 101 Collins St site (Edit that, for some reason it would not let me upload them - I will email them to you...)



You can see that on this site it keeps marking ch 208 as the cc (it should actually be 243=165.0875). It still allows go to voice channels on it though. As soon as you uncheck it as a cc, it will automatically check itself again.

I am using 1.20. So ran clean install of 1.22 thinking it may have been my setup, but get exactly the same results. No band plans have been used. The LCN's are correctly and automatically filled in from monitoring the site cc (just manually added the freqs).

Let me know if the logs are not long enough.

 

[SCPD]

Not sure what is going on with the forum - it is telling that I can post attachments but won't load them, the S and R logs are here Rick (they are quite small):

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[Comint]

You can see that on this site it keeps marking ch 208 as the cc (it should actually be 243=165.0875).
. . . .

No band plans have been used. The LCN's are correctly and automatically filled in from monitoring the site cc (just manually added the freqs).

The Channel Numbers are broadcast on the CC, then it is up to UniTrunker to know, or work out, which frequency goes with which LCN.

Have you specified any Base Frequencies / Steps / Offsets, and if so, what are they.

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Comint

 

[SCPD]

Hi Comint,

No I haven't put band plans in as yet. The two channel plans that I know of are:

chan 1 (162.0625) to chan 251 (165.1875)

and since the RAVNet refresh

chan 301 (165.2000) to chan 360 (165.9375)

Not quite sure how to put these into band plans in UT (mainly the low / high and slot values)?

Any suggestions appreciated!

 

[Comint]

Hi Comint,

No I haven't put band plans in as yet. The two channel plans that I know of are:

chan 1 (162.0625) to chan 251 (165.1875)

and since the RAVNet refresh

chan 301 (165.2000) to chan 360 (165.9375)

Not quite sure how to put these into band plans in UT (mainly the low / high and slot values)?

Any suggestions appreciated!

Haven't used UniTrunker on MPT1327 for a long time, and it has only been on Systems with a single contiguous block of channels, but I believe you would have two entries.

Entry 1 would be:-

162.0625 / Low 1 / High 251

OR

164.0625 / Low 161 / High 251

and Entry 2 would be:-

165.2000 / Low 301 / High 364

Don't know about the Slots

I'm sure the Channels go up to 364 (165.9875), and they currently only start at 161 (164.0625)

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Comint

 

[SCPD]

The slots are for TDMA systems; you can ignore this for MPT1327.

 

[SCPD]

Thanks Comint and Unitrunker,

The band plan worked a treat and the delegation function works like a charm (editing the xml file was much easier than I thought it would be too), so thanks Rick!