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Unknown DMRs for Toronto area

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I was up on the Hamilton Mountain tonight doing a bit of scanning. I have 2 unknown or maybe unknowns for right now.

409.2125 is Ryerson University but tonight I was getting a cap+ system with a cc 12 and a tg 20 which sounded like security. They are listed as an XPT system in the database.

413.2125 I was hearing a cap+ system with a cc 9. The only thing that is licensed in the area is Ontario Shores Centre for Mental Health Sciences in Whitby. It looks like it is possible they are running a cap+ system as no data is listed in the DB.

Matt
 

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I was sitting on 413.2125 and talkgroup 145 came up repeatedly. I'm wondering if it is the Government of Ontario complex at 222 Jarvis St. in Toronto?

I'm also trying to ID 452.2625 Colour Code 10
 

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Hey Mike.. see if you hear anything on 410.0375.. that is the other frequency licensed to the Ontario Shores Centre. They are licensed as DMR so that is why I thought it could be them.

452.2625 CC 10 DMR.. I have 500 as security and 600 as an unknown..in my notes I have it listed as a possible condo or office tower from what I heard.

Matt

I just did a search in the TAFL and noticed this condo is licensed as DMR. I wonder if that one could be them?

452.2625 TORONTO, ON - 33 CHARLES ST. E. Toronto Standard Condominium Corporation No. 2058
 

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Matt, I'm getting data on 424.7625 with colour code 2. Nothing licensed for Ontario. :unsure:

The others you have posted are usually busier Monday to Friday, but I can't positively ID them.
 
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424.7625 is frequency 1 (Ch. 1/2) and 424.0250 (Ch. 3/4) is frequency 2 for whatever this system is. The only voice activity seen so far in very limited monitoring is encrypted T/G 14:

2019/04/16 18:35:48 Freq=424.025000 DCC=2 Enc TXI Group call; TG=14 RID=331 Slot=1 2s
2019/04/16 18:35:54 Freq=424.025000 DCC=2 Enc Group call; TG=14 RID=360 Slot=2 Alg=EP KeyID=1 2s

The rest channel changes back and forth every 8 minutes.

Cheers!

Bob
 

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424.7625 is frequency 1 (Ch. 1/2) and 424.0250 (Ch. 3/4) is frequency 2 for whatever this system is. The only voice activity seen so far in very limited monitoring is encrypted T/G 14:

2019/04/16 18:35:48 Freq=424.025000 DCC=2 Enc TXI Group call; TG=14 RID=331 Slot=1 2s
2019/04/16 18:35:54 Freq=424.025000 DCC=2 Enc Group call; TG=14 RID=360 Slot=2 Alg=EP KeyID=1 2s

The rest channel changes back and forth every 8 minutes.

Cheers!

Bob
Thanks for taking time to study it, Bob.

This makes me wonder if it is a Police Service as it doesn't appear in TAFL and is encrypted.
 
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Thanks for taking time to study it, Bob.

This makes me wonder if it is a Police Service as it doesn't appear in TAFL and is encrypted.
Really low activity and still only the same 2 radios IDs in the last hour, and DMR. I'd guess/bet/be totally wrong perhaps thinking over the border rather than Canada being in the 424 MHz range. More activity hopefully will give away some details over the next few days. I've had enough GO trains for now anyway.

I don't think it's new as I found I had 424.7625 erroneously ID'd as part of FM Communications in Tonawanda in my database for SDR# likely from last fall if not a year ago now, so I'd seen activity on it prior to this thread.

Bob
 

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It may be New York Power Authority out of Lockport or Lewiston, New York. FCC license searches on both frequencies return those names and locations.
I can see critical infrastructure like a Power company using encrypted comms.
 
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Good thought Mike, that would make sense. Certainly more activity since about 7AM than last evening, but still limited T/Gs and radio IDs in use. T/Gs seen are 8, 10, 12 & 14 with T/G 14 easily being the most used. I show 137 calls logged up to now, the next busiest only at 4 calls, a total of 11 radio IDs logged and all ENC of course.
 
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Hey Mike.. see if you hear anything on 410.0375.. that is the other frequency licensed to the Ontario Shores Centre. They are licensed as DMR so that is why I thought it could be them.

452.2625 CC 10 DMR.. I have 500 as security and 600 as an unknown..in my notes I have it listed as a possible condo or office tower from what I heard.

Matt

I just did a search in the TAFL and noticed this condo is licensed as DMR. I wonder if that one could be them?

452.2625 TORONTO, ON - 33 CHARLES ST. E. Toronto Standard Condominium Corporation No. 2058
452.2625 CC is Oshawa Center Mall Security here where I am.
 

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I was up at the International Centre today and did some scanning while up in the area...

452.2625 DMR CC 4 TG 20 & 40
454.3625 DMR CC 4 TG 40
These two I believe very well could be the Canadian Tire Distribution Centre on Steeles between Bramelea & Torbram not too far from the IC. They are both licensed to CT with the TRBO emission code. Could someone in the area verify these?

452.2625 Cap+ CC 6 no idea what this is as I heard no convos
453.2875 Cap+ CC 5 again the same no convos heard so no idea.

Matt
 
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