DXer3033
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Does anyone out there know the location of W-72? I am located on the NC side of the NC/VA border in NW NC.
USAF W-72 location?
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That is incorrect. W-72 is controlled by FACSFAC VACAPES and when it is hot, you do need clearance to go into the area. As a matter of fact, if you don't contact VACAPES "Giant Killer" when you're entering those areas, you might find yourself being escorted.
I just happened to work those areas when I was a controller, and I can tell you with great confidence that when those areas are hot, you don't want to be anywhere near them.
This link will tell you everything you want to know about the Warning areas. They don't have anything to do with the Air Force, by the way.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/vacapes.htm
I just happened to work those areas when I was a controller, and I can tell you with great confidence that when those areas are hot, you don't want to be anywhere near them.
This link will tell you everything you want to know about the Warning areas. They don't have anything to do with the Air Force, by the way.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/vacapes.htm
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Not to be argumentative, but
The Airman Information Manual (One of the books that the FAA will use against you when they violate you) states:
3-4-4. Warning Areas
A warning area is airspace of defined dimensions, extending from three nautical miles outward from the coast of the U.S., that contains activity that may be hazardous to nonparticipating aircraft. The purpose of such warning areas is to warn nonparticipating pilots of the potential danger. A warning area may be located over domestic or international waters or both.
Cite : http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/AIM/Chap3/aim0304.html
Washington Center is the Controlling Agency as listed on the Washington Sectional. This sectional can be viewed at:
http://chartviewer.myairplane.com/gateway.php?ChartType=sectional&ChartName=Washington.
The botton right of the sectional has the listings for all applicable Special Use Airspace.
Granted, part of the Warning area is outside the Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) and special procedures must be adhered to when passing this "line",
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since the Air Force and Navy use this airspace for air-to-air combat maneuvering due to its high upper limits, you can bet your sweet bippy that they are going to see you and "play" with you. As a pilot, I've had this phenomenon (close fly bys from mil aircraft) occur outside MOAs (Military Operation Areas) in Class E and Class G airspace. If you are near a MTR (Military Training Route) you are going to get buzzed to.
I guess the applicable rule here would be "When in Rome."
And, by the way...Giant Killer is about useless...I've called them numberous times only to receive no answer...Due to the high volume of traffic on the published frequencies I guess they have a habit of during down or tuning out some transmissions...Calling range control on a UHF works alot better.
The Airman Information Manual (One of the books that the FAA will use against you when they violate you) states:
3-4-4. Warning Areas
A warning area is airspace of defined dimensions, extending from three nautical miles outward from the coast of the U.S., that contains activity that may be hazardous to nonparticipating aircraft. The purpose of such warning areas is to warn nonparticipating pilots of the potential danger. A warning area may be located over domestic or international waters or both.
Cite : http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/AIM/Chap3/aim0304.html
Washington Center is the Controlling Agency as listed on the Washington Sectional. This sectional can be viewed at:
http://chartviewer.myairplane.com/gateway.php?ChartType=sectional&ChartName=Washington.
The botton right of the sectional has the listings for all applicable Special Use Airspace.
Granted, part of the Warning area is outside the Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) and special procedures must be adhered to when passing this "line",
AND
since the Air Force and Navy use this airspace for air-to-air combat maneuvering due to its high upper limits, you can bet your sweet bippy that they are going to see you and "play" with you. As a pilot, I've had this phenomenon (close fly bys from mil aircraft) occur outside MOAs (Military Operation Areas) in Class E and Class G airspace. If you are near a MTR (Military Training Route) you are going to get buzzed to.
I guess the applicable rule here would be "When in Rome."
And, by the way...Giant Killer is about useless...I've called them numberous times only to receive no answer...Due to the high volume of traffic on the published frequencies I guess they have a habit of during down or tuning out some transmissions...Calling range control on a UHF works alot better.
"And, by the way...Giant Killer is about useless...I've called them numberous times only to receive no answer...Due to the high volume of traffic on the published frequencies I guess they have a habit of during down or tuning out some transmissions...Calling range control on a UHF works alot better."
What are you flying when you call them? Are you VFR or IFR?
What are you flying when you call them? Are you VFR or IFR?
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