Washington County Point to Point
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RevGary
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Yes, and I'd probably like to hear from Stateboy on this one because that agency is within his coverage area...
The change to CTCSS at 146.2 on POINT and for WISPERN using CTCSS 156.7, was done last year to eliminate or significantly reduce Illinois and Indiana messaging on the old open squelch system in the southern and southwestern parts of the state. Sounds like some programmer may have made a boo-boo unless your particular radio misinterpreted what it was monitoring???.
The change to CTCSS at 146.2 on POINT and for WISPERN using CTCSS 156.7, was done last year to eliminate or significantly reduce Illinois and Indiana messaging on the old open squelch system in the southern and southwestern parts of the state. Sounds like some programmer may have made a boo-boo unless your particular radio misinterpreted what it was monitoring???.
nslt204
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Looks like a programing error to me. 192.8 is used on most of Washington Co's frqs. I guess they like that Pl and are sticking with it 
My guess would be that the tech missed the different Pl for that channel in the line up, maybe others as well.
My guess would be that the tech missed the different Pl for that channel in the line up, maybe others as well.
RevGary said:
That's what I was thinking.nslt204 said:Looks like a programing error to me. 192.8 is used on most of Washington Co's frqs. I guess they like that Pl and are sticking with it
My guess would be that the tech missed the different Pl for that channel in the line up, maybe others as well.
The counties around here (Dodge, Fond du Lac, and Washington) Only transmit the PL tone none of the decode it, which is a good thing since Washington screwed up. I know they are not required to decode it.
kc9fnm
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So what do I do about the officer that calls me back next week after programing his radio and he is complaining that when ever he is parked in xx location around town his squad radio stops scaning, and is receiving noise on Point or some other non receive PL channel?
1-Take it out of the sacn list? No he wants to monitor it.
2-Don't park there? No its a good spot to watch traffic.
3-Go back and program in PL on receive? BINGO!
Not a big deal to have PL on receive if only they knew how to use the MONITOR button! Turns off PL WOW! So even IF an outside agency had the wrong PL there is still a work arond! All these options on new radios today and the only button they know how to use is the one on the mic. I really do try to explain and educate as much as I can to customers how their radios work but sometimes I think its falling on def ears.
Yes it sounds like the point PL got mixed up with the usual county PL. ITS EASY TO DO! This is why I always have someone else double check my programming. Now if the wrong PL is in many radios then someone isn't following... www.pewaukeefire.com/MutualAid1.pdf
Sorry to rant but I just spent 6 hours in a cold garage programming radios. I had cheifs changing the channel line up halfway though, "how long is this going to take" being asked every few minutes by the newest person to walk in, and even an ems director asking me what new mutual aid channels I though should be put into their radios! I'm sorry but I program, install and fix radios. I monitor and maintain radio systems 24/7 but I don't decided who should have which channels. Thats for the agencies to work out between themselves and come up with a plan way before I get there!
1-Take it out of the sacn list? No he wants to monitor it.
2-Don't park there? No its a good spot to watch traffic.
3-Go back and program in PL on receive? BINGO!
Not a big deal to have PL on receive if only they knew how to use the MONITOR button! Turns off PL WOW! So even IF an outside agency had the wrong PL there is still a work arond! All these options on new radios today and the only button they know how to use is the one on the mic. I really do try to explain and educate as much as I can to customers how their radios work but sometimes I think its falling on def ears.
Yes it sounds like the point PL got mixed up with the usual county PL. ITS EASY TO DO! This is why I always have someone else double check my programming. Now if the wrong PL is in many radios then someone isn't following... www.pewaukeefire.com/MutualAid1.pdf
Sorry to rant but I just spent 6 hours in a cold garage programming radios. I had cheifs changing the channel line up halfway though, "how long is this going to take" being asked every few minutes by the newest person to walk in, and even an ems director asking me what new mutual aid channels I though should be put into their radios! I'm sorry but I program, install and fix radios. I monitor and maintain radio systems 24/7 but I don't decided who should have which channels. Thats for the agencies to work out between themselves and come up with a plan way before I get there!
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CTCSS is an answer to even the least severe intermod... and there's pleanty of that these days as we all know.
Programming in PL on the agency frequencies that are used for mutual aid is becoming more popular and the same frequency without PL is being programmed in as a 'talkaround' for out-of-the-area comm.
Most radios these days have an alpha numeric display and tons of capacity and with a little coaching, the operators can probably figure out what they are on at any given time. Radio Training should be just as important as Firearms Training - because they are both life saving tools. Unfamiliarity with EITHER could cost lives.
Programming in PL on the agency frequencies that are used for mutual aid is becoming more popular and the same frequency without PL is being programmed in as a 'talkaround' for out-of-the-area comm.
Most radios these days have an alpha numeric display and tons of capacity and with a little coaching, the operators can probably figure out what they are on at any given time. Radio Training should be just as important as Firearms Training - because they are both life saving tools. Unfamiliarity with EITHER could cost lives.
kc9fnm said:
I can understand your pain.
Mutual aid channels are easy...there are 24 standard mutual aid channels in WI. Put them all in and it won't be an issue (provided the radio has the capacity).
As for the Washington county issue, it's been sent up the chain.
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stateboy said:
Just wondering if your dispatch center is still using a NON CTCSS - CSQ receiver for Point and WISPERN? I think that you once metioned that was the case and you were still getting hammered by Illinois and nothhwestern Indiana...
Do the north Illlinois agencies, that have occasion to call across the state line, have the proper CTCSS tones in their systems to reach you if necessary? I don't believe that they use CTCSS at all on 155.370 and 155.475 within their own state as observed personally and as listed in the database here. Just curious...
I don't know about point, but WISPERN is still CSQ Rx
I understand the programming, but you would think someone would notice and correct it by now. Imagine if the radio tech did set it up to receive the wrong PL tone and they could not hear the other agencies.
I don't think Ill. use PL tones on point or ISPERN (WISPERN).
Why do agencies not by the border, Dodge, Washington, and Fond du Lac, have it set up for CSQ on the receive side?
I don't think Ill. use PL tones on point or ISPERN (WISPERN).
Why do agencies not by the border, Dodge, Washington, and Fond du Lac, have it set up for CSQ on the receive side?
triryche
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Washington Co. is using an older VHF console in which everything transmits the 192.8 and isn't selectable by channel; per Scan-Wis. They have a crummy communications system right now and if anyone is in need of upgrades, it is them. Thier point transmitter is weak and thier sheriff repeaters aren't much better. Thier VHF fire system is pretty nice but that was just put in within the last 5 years. With all the agencies in that county, we might see some trunking from them soon. It has been discussed..
If anyone is interested, I have upgraded the ECWI scanner feed with numerous fire agencies now since I am operating that rig on a new antenna. Had to make some sacrifices though.. with gain on VHF/UHF comes loss on 800 Mega-hurts. Ozaukee TRS is crummy now but readable most of the time. http://www.qsl.net/k9drx is the URL for the feed..
If anyone is interested, I have upgraded the ECWI scanner feed with numerous fire agencies now since I am operating that rig on a new antenna. Had to make some sacrifices though.. with gain on VHF/UHF comes loss on 800 Mega-hurts. Ozaukee TRS is crummy now but readable most of the time. http://www.qsl.net/k9drx is the URL for the feed..
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WASO may sound weak to the east where you are, but everywhere else that I can hear them they have a great signal many counties away from their transmitter.
As for the Point PL issue, it's not the console even...my info was that the base station that Point uses is shared with another channel using 192.8, and there is only the one PL reed.
As for the Point PL issue, it's not the console even...my info was that the base station that Point uses is shared with another channel using 192.8, and there is only the one PL reed.
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