Webster Schools on Monroe/Ontario P25

[k2hz]

The Webster CSD has begun operation on the Monroe/Ontario P25 system. TDMA TGs 3001-3054 all appear to be Webster. RIDs start with 2821001 and it appears there many be 200 or more radios on the system.

School bus dispatch is 3048 and bus garage is 3049. TGs 3001-3014 appear to be elementary schools with each school having 2 TGs with the lower odd number being main and the higher even number for secondary use. I am submitting the schools as they are positively identified. The middle schools will likely also join but I am not sure about the high schools that presently each have their own UHF conventional repeater. TG3050 may be called "Admin 1" but that, and the nature of its use, is not yet verified for submission.

Buses began operations this week after students returned from break and the old VHF channel has gone silent. Elementary schools seem to be showing up gradually with 3 presently active.

The new 30xx Talk Groups on the Monroe/Ontario system appear to be for school use in Monroe County since, in addition to Webster, RIT Security is now on TGs 3070-3072.

 

[Homer_LCPDFR]

Just going to note the fact that the elementary schools appear to be assigned TGs in alphabetical order. If its guaranteed middle schools and high schools are on the system, filling in the blanks should be considerably easier than googling names.

I've also got 101470# RIDs on 3009, but I haven't reviewed all the recordings yet.

 

[mc48]

The 101470 #3-8 series are the fire dispatchers.

 

[Homer_LCPDFR]

The 101470 #3-8 series are the fire dispatchers.

That's... bizarre. It was evidently people who weren't familiar with radios, calling them "walkies." Specific IDs were 1014706 and 1014703. Still have yet to investigate the other recordings.

 

[mc48]

I just looked again and 4706 is the EMS Dispatcher.

Fire Dispatcher	1014703
Fire Dispatcher	1014704
Fire Dispatcher	1014705
EMS Dispatcher	1014706
Fire Dispatcher	1014707
Rochester Fire Dispatcher	1014708

Webster CSD Dispatcher	2821409
Webster CSD Dispatcher	2821410

 

[Homer_LCPDFR]

Think it was an error, I'm in Albany monitoring via OpenMHZ, I'm getting a random assortment of UIDs that simply don't make any sense in the context of the channel.

3009 confirmed as Plank Road South through corresponding names. I'll refrain from submitting 3007 as Plank Road North, but I would argue that can pretty much be confirmed.

 

[GTR8000]

Think it was an error, I'm in Albany monitoring via OpenMHZ, I'm getting a random assortment of UIDs that simply don't make any sense in the context of the channel.

That's exactly what it is, cross-pollination from other talkgroups because decoding software isn't perfect (that goes for both Trunk-Recorder/OpenMHz as well as SDRTrunk/BCFY Calls).

No more speculative submissions to the database. There seems to be some sort of race to get these talkgroups into the database, which has already led to some needing to be deleted due to inaccuracies. Either the talkgroup is 100% confirmed based on prolonged monitoring leaving no doubt, or the submission comes from a reliable local source.

 

[k2hz]

I'll refrain from submitting 3007 as Plank Road North, but I would argue that can pretty much be confirmed.

I have refrained from submitting 3007 and 3011 since I have not observed any regular school activity on these TGs. While it may be logical to assume what schools may be the users, the RRDB has to be based on observed activity that clearly confirms the use, not speculation on possible use. I am attempting to confirm 3013 but use seems to be sporadic and inconsistent so far.

I am seeing activity on 3032 that seems to be another school loading students on buses along with possibly related sporadic activity on 3031, 3034 and 3035. This does not fit the pattern of the elementary school TGs and I have not observed any consistent activity that would relate to the middle schools. So, the middle and high schools TGs remain unknown.

 

[Homer_LCPDFR]

I am seeing activity on 3032 that seems to be another school loading students on buses along with possibly related sporadic activity on 3031, 3034 and 3035. This does not fit the pattern of the elementary school TGs and I have not observed any consistent activity that would relate to the middle schools. So, the middle and high schools TGs remain unknown.

I had similar traffic on 3032.

Testing on 3013.
3002 was named as "Channel 2," sounded like principal's office traffic, some kid in trouble, providing a statement.
3035: Discussing what students were getting on the bus.

 

[k2hz]

I had similar traffic on 3032.

Testing on 3013.
3002 was named as "Channel 2," sounded like principal's office traffic, some kid in trouble, providing a statement.
3035: Discussing what students were getting on the bus.

Same here. I got the "Channel 2" so it confirms that is what the elementary schools call their secondary channel and Rob DeRose is the Asst Principal for DeWitt. I will submit this as DeWitt Ch2 and other School secondary TGs as Channel 2 for that school if/when I observe any activity.

3013 was doing some training around noon (listen for the beep before you talk) but I don't hear any regular activity yet.

That woman on 3035 yelling into the mic everyday and no one answering her I can't understand most of what she is saying. But she seems to be calling out names of students to board the bus.

I also have 3027 boarding students like what I hear on 3032 so we have the 302x and 303x TGs not fitting the pattern for the elementary schools which makes me suspect the middle and high schools may have more than just a pair of TGs assigned.

 

[mikewren]

Think it was an error, I'm in Albany monitoring via OpenMHZ, I'm getting a random assortment of UIDs that simply don't make any sense in the context of the channel.

3009 confirmed as Plank Road South through corresponding names. I'll refrain from submitting 3007 as Plank Road North, but I would argue that can pretty much be confirmed.

Don't rely on openmhz for monitoring school and bus talkgroups on the Monroe/Ontario P25 feed - I'll be removing them from this weekend due in part to the issues @GTR8000 mentioned.

 

[mikewren]

Update: RTS buses and all primary and secondary school talkgroups have been removed from Rochester/Ontario feed, sorry again to the DB admins for any errant community submissions as s result of this. Please do reach out if any other talkgroups should be dropped in the future.

 

[k2hz]

I have now confirmed and submitted TGs for all Webster elementary schools with the exception of 3008 and 3012 since these "Channel 2" TGs have not yet been observed active at those schools.

It appears TGs 3015-3020 are not active and the Middle and High Schools may be on various 3021-3040 TGs I have not yet been able to ID.

Unknown TGs with units presently registered or with unidentified activity are: 3021, 3024, 3027, 3031, 3032, 3034 & 3035. Not much heard other than coordinating students boarding buses.

 

[k2hz]

I think I see a further pattern for the Webster CSD TGs. 3001-3014 are elementary schools with each school having 2 consecutive TGs. Ch 1 is general school operations and maintenance, including bus loading/unloading and Ch 2 is school administration. Only elementary schools have been confirmed active so far.

While TG 4048 is for general bus dispatch, TGs 3021-3035 appear to be bus loading and unloading at specific schools or routes with RIDs for both buses and school staff observed. This provides additional TG(s) for a school with multiple simultaneous bus arrival/departures. I am attempting to sort out which TGs are associated with specific schools. Bus Dispatch and "Shop" (Bus Garage) occasionally appear on these TGs to contact a bus while general bus operations are on 3048 Dispatch/3049 Garage. Dispatch also occasionally will contact school staff on TGs 3001-3014 to coordinate bus operations and school administrators may call Dispatch on 3048 to resolve a problem. So, all users appear to have access to many or all system TGs.

I have heard units that appear to be Security on various TGs but no dedicated TG for Security has been observed so far.

 

[k2hz]

Activity has now appeared on TG3017 which is probably Willink Middle School. I will submit as soon as I can confirm.

 

[k2hz]

Nothing is simple or as it originally seems with figuring out TG use on this system.

TG 3021 is active morning and afternoon with directing children to and from buses. It involves an elementary school since they specifically mention kindergarten. The portable RIDs are 281349 -281367 which is in between blocks assigned to particular schools. There is no apparent school admin activity on the TG so the users may be bus monitors.

TG3023 had been apparently only random bus and general operational communications. It now seems to be evolving as a school with activity relating to maintenance, security, nurse's office and delivery of athletic equipment. Portable RIDs 2821489-2821527. Looks like it could be one of the High Schools. I am attempting to get specific names to confirm which one to submit it.

The various 303x TGs seem to have units affiliated but seldom active. Activity is usually afternoon bus loading with a single unit calling out a list of names of children to board. I suspect each TG could be assigned to a particular bus and monitor.

 

[k2hz]

Nothing is simple or as it originally seems with figuring out TG use on this system.

TG 3021 is active morning and afternoon with directing children to and from buses. It involves an elementary school since they specifically mention kindergarten. The portable RIDs are 281349 -281367 which is in between blocks assigned to particular schools. There is no apparent school admin activity on the TG so the users may be bus monitors.

TG3023 had been apparently only random bus and general operational communications. It now seems to be evolving as a school with activity relating to maintenance, security, nurse's office and delivery of athletic equipment. Portable RIDs 2821489-2821527. Looks like it could be one of the High Schools. I am attempting to get specific names to confirm which one to submit it.

The various 303x TGs seem to have units affiliated but seldom active. Activity is usually afternoon bus loading with a single unit calling out a list of names of children to board. I suspect each TG could be assigned to a particular bus and monitor.

I confirmed and submitted 3023/3024 is Schroeder HS. No apparent activity yet for Spry Middle or Thomas High.

TG3021 activity seems to fit for the times and nature of the "WonderCare" before and after school program. The times they are being bussed and the fact it is apparently kindergarten and elementary students matches the time students would be bussed from their morning session to their daytime schools and the afternoon would be their return to the program. The communications and multiple units heard seem to be consistent with students being sorted out and loaded on multiple busses to go to their respective schools in the morning and rounded up to get them back to the program in the afternoon. It is also consistent with little or no activity during normal school hours.

Is anyone familiar with the WonderCare program to know if my assumptions are correct? I will submit as "WonderCare Buses" if I can confirm it.

 

[k2hz]

I am going to submit 3021 as WonderCare Transportation. They are transporting students between a facility and schools beginning at 7:40 every day and returning them after 2:10 which exactly matches the schedule listed on their web site.

A new group of users has stared operating on 3027 today which appears to be Thomas HS so I will submit as soon as I can confirm. No apparent activity from Spry Middle yet. Some activity on 3027 has been talking about reprogramming radios and "Bus Loader" vs "Campus" radios. "Bus Loader" could relate to what I am hearing on some 303x TGs that the only activity on a TG is one or a few units loading buses. Some elementary schools are doing the bus loading on their regular school TG but larger schools may have a dedicated TG for loading.

 

[k2hz]

Upon further review, 3027 turns out to be Spry Middle, not Thomas High. Which is why I do not rush to submit unconfirmed IDs.

 

[k2hz]

I am still working on sorting out the middle and high schools. It now looks like I may have Spry and Willink middle schools swapped and have not yet found if Thomas HS is even on the system yet. While the elementary schools TGs appear to start out in alphabetical order with 2 TGs each, the upper grade and large schools may have 3 or 4 consecutive TGs assigned. I heard what I now believe is Willink Middle School "Main Office" specifically call 3029 "Channel 3" and then switch back to 3027 "Channel 1"

The 303x TGs still seem to be primarily used for bus loading and separate from the regular school TGs related to the comment I heard about programming "bus loader" vs "campus" radios. No new user groups have appeared so far this week.