What Receiver to Buy for utility listening

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I am in the process of buying a new shortwave receiver to listen to Utility Frequencies, I am down to two different receiver to choose from, can I get some feed back on what receiver would do the best job at picking up the utility frequencies.
These are the two receivers I am looking at

AOR AR8600 Mark II receiver
OR THE
ICOM R-8500A receiver
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By a wide margin, the R8500. Better strong signal handling, selectivity - lots of pluses here. Make sure it has a CI-V built in so you can use a PC with it if you wish. There are several very good control programs for this radio.

Do your own homework - we have LOTS of links with reviews in our wiki, but I think you will be much better off with the Icom...

Category:Receiver Reviews - The RadioReference Wiki

Of course along with the radio, you need a good antenna - but that's a whole 'nother ballgame...

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By a wide margin, the R8500. Better strong signal handling, selectivity - lots of pluses here. Make sure it has a CI-V built in so you can use a PC with it if you wish. There are several very good control programs for this radio.

Do your own homework - we have LOTS of links with reviews in our wiki, but I think you will be much better off with the Icom...

Category:Receiver Reviews - The RadioReference Wiki

Of course along with the radio, you need a good antenna - but that's a whole 'nother ballgame...

73 Mike

Thanks Mike the R8500 is a lot more expensive but I really want to have the extra, filter and DSP options it offers, I really like the radio.
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Are you talking about HF shortwave or UHF military? That makes a difference. The 8500 is a wideband receiver.

I would recommend a true HF receiver if you that's what you're looking for...
 

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Are you talking about HF shortwave or UHF military? That makes a difference. The 8500 is a wideband receiver.

I would recommend a true HF receiver if you that's what you're looking for...

I will be listening to mostly Military, Air, Ships and so forth, I looked at the Palstar R30A receiver but it is not really what I am looking for, all I really want is a good HF Receiver that tunes the HF bands, I have several scanner radios and am not interested in these.
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Yeah the two radios you suggested are wideband scanners. I don't think you want these for listening to HF.

Several options:

Icom R-75
(A used HAM transceiver)
JRC NRD-545

Look at the SDR options like Brandon suggested:

SDR-IQ
WinRadio Excalibur
 

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The 8500 is one of those nominally very expensive receivers that do HF pretty doggone well. Of course a dedicated HF receiver might do better (it would have to be pretty expensive one to outgun a 8500, though. A Palstar is a good radio, but nowhere near like a 8500...). The 545 would be one possibility, an AOR7030 (if you can find one) would be another. Although many ham transceivers these days have a general coverage radio built in, you would have to go up pretty far to be near a 8500.

Certainly a R75 - which is a real workhorse - is probably cheaper and is a fine performer in its own right.

Like I said before, use the wiki page I supplied and do your homework. 73 Mike
 

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I would go with something dedicated to HF. If you aren't real familiar with HF, you might want to try something real basic first, before you blow a bunch of money. Maybe a Sony 7600 or Grundig G3 or G5. Some people don't like HF as much as they think they will. It takes a lot more patience than scanning. Very hit or miss.
 

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I would go with something dedicated to HF. If you aren't real familiar with HF, you might want to try something real basic first, before you blow a bunch of money. Maybe a Sony 7600 or Grundig G3 or G5. Some people don't like HF as much as they think they will. It takes a lot more patience than scanning. Very hit or miss.


Thanks every one for all the information, 2 years ago I had a icom r75 and it work great and I reall think now I am going to buy another one, I like the fact it's dedicated to HF Frequencies and the DSP Unit comes with it and I found it easy to use, wish I would have kept it now but for what I want I think the R75 Is a good choice for me again.
Thank Again.
Look forward to sumitting my utility frequencies to the forum when I get some.

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Right on! yeah the R75 is an excellent radio. I also use one for the hands on tuning... I know exactly what you mean :) Anyway good luck and look forward to your posts.
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An Icom R75 would be a fine choice for utility work. Another "cheaper" option would be to pickup an Icom R71A from ebay. It will be cheaper than a R75 and I have found the R71A to be more sensitive than the R75, Of course you would have to choose wisely and get one that has had the battery upgraded but a $250 R71A will be a fantastic utility DX machine. A JRC NRD535D is also a great utility machine but they are more pricey than the other options.
 

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Icom R75

An Icom R75 would be a fine choice for utility work. Another "cheaper" option would be to pickup an Icom R71A from ebay. It will be cheaper than a R75 and I have found the R71A to be more sensitive than the R75, Of course you would have to choose wisely and get one that has had the battery upgraded but a $250 R71A will be a fantastic utility DX machine. A JRC NRD535D is also a great utility machine but they are more pricey than the other options.

Thanks for the info, but I have ordered the Icom R75, I should get in a couple of days.
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First, of the two you list, I prefer the R8500, and yes I do own a couple of them. For a wideband receiver it is pretty good on HF, something that is rare. I see you have ordered an R-75, and for HF work it is better in most ways than the R8500. So the following is a "general info" post for people asking the same question in the future.

Lets think about the application for a second. You specifically are looking at Utility, and those tend to be short duration transient signals in modes other than AM or FM. Setting on known or published frequencies is one approach. Scanning known freqs does not work well as to scan you must use squelch, and that typically does not work well with SSB signals unless the signals are significantly above the noise floor...and many of the interesting ones are often more in the noise.

To find transient signals simply nothing works better than a panadapter like or panadapter equipped receiver, like an SDR.

The SDR-IQ is probably the best bang-for-the-buck SDR on the market, being inexpensive and performing quite well. But the 192 kHz max display width is slightly limiting. The SDR-14 (now discontinued) could display more bandwidth, but not record more or show more while demodulating.

The Perseus has a much wider instantaneous bandwidth than the SDR-IQ, but at almost 2.5 times the cost, of course it also has a better front end.

Right now the top of the heap in my opinion, for utility station applications, is the WinRadio Excalibur G31DDC. It falls in cost between the SDR-IQ and the Perseus and techncally probably is better than the SDR-IQ, but not quiet up the Perseus front-end. However it has features the Perseus does not. The fact that it displays the entire 0 - 30 MHz (or 50 MHz, if you have that selected) spectrum in a waterfall all the time is very useful. And the fact that you can see backwards in time up to 6 minutes on the wideband waterfall is outstanding. You might be listening to, and watching in an expanded scale, a station on 6 MHz, but you can still watch a frequency up on 10 MHz for activity. If a signal pops up on the 10 MHz freq just click on it on the display and you are tuned to it. Of course, you will not hear the signal that keyed you, but you will hear the next transmission. Or, you can listen to three frequencies in any given 2 MHz wide piece of spectrum simultaneously, each on a completely independent demodulator, like having three radios in that 2 MHz chunk.

Yes, I use all of the rigs above, plus several more in the shack here. But to be honest since I got the Excalibur it has become my main utility receiver, it remains to be seen what kind of third party and plug-in software will show up for it. If you can deal with the fact that you must use a computer with the SDR then the SDR is significantly superior to a none-SDR for utility listening and transient signal detection.

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I have an R71a and an R75. The R75 may not be as sensitve as the R71a but you will be satisfied with it. I have found that the greatest attribute of all in the R75 is its RF gain. Whether in SSB or BC you can really suppress a signal BUT still keep the modulation which eliminates that annoying fade and stabilizes voice really well. The R71a does this well in SSB but in BC mode it eliminates the whole signal. I have found this ability in the R75 to be my best buddy quite often when pulling stuff up from the floor. I want to see you enjoy that new rig:)
 

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Icom R75

I have an R71a and an R75. The R75 may not be as sensitve as the R71a but you will be satisfied with it. I have found that the greatest attribute of all in the R75 is its RF gain. Whether in SSB or BC you can really suppress a signal BUT still keep the modulation which eliminates that annoying fade and stabilizes voice really well. The R71a does this well in SSB but in BC mode it eliminates the whole signal. I have found this ability in the R75 to be my best buddy quite often when pulling stuff up from the floor. I want to see you enjoy that new rig:)


Thanks for the information, I had a Icom R75 two years ago and sold it, it really work great on the utility frequencies and Digital decoding, I just got a phone call from the people I am buying the Icom R75 and they told me it's been back ordered for three weeks so I will only get the radio mid SEPTEMBER, so I have some time before i receive it.
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That's odd. I see you're up in Canada. Are you ordering from a Canadian dealer?

There's plenty in stock in the states. HRO has plenty in stock.
 
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