Pete_uk
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Never mind, the Connect Systems CS7000 will be out sometime soon...
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If I had a nickle for every amateur operator that does not understand how to program their DMR radio, things would be wonderful on this end.
"Deal with DMR". You make it sound like a bad thing. Like having to deal with a used car salesman.They also have to consider people thinking "I paid $600 for this and it doesn't even do DMR? You mean I still have to buy (and carry) another radio to deal with DMR?"
Kenwood, and Icom, and Yaesu, have all made decisions about what digital voice modes to offer in their amateur radio product line. They all decided against DMR. To the best of my knowledge, none of those manufacturers are going broke. I reserve the right to be surprised if one of them does offer a DMR amateur radio in the future, but, IMHO, I don't think we'll ever see that happen.
Of course not everyone wants DMR, but it's also really far from false that nobody wants DMR. It even seems that if Dstar was replaced with DMR in those D74s you're talking about, most wouldn't even care Dstar was missing, except for the companies that were involved with licensing Dstar."Deal with DMR". You make it sound like a bad thing. Like having to deal with a used car salesman.
I know several hams who have D74s. I have not heard one of them say "I paid $600 for this and it doesn't even do DMR?" We all bought the radio for other reasons and even the fact that it has D-STAR was pretty far down that list of reasons. You seem to assume that every amateur radio operator wants a handheld radio that does DMR. I don't think that's anywhere close to a true statement.
Of course not everyone wants DMR, but it's also really far from false that nobody wants DMR. It even seems that if Dstar was replaced with DMR in those D74s you're talking about, most wouldn't even care Dstar was missing, except for the companies that were involved with licensing Dstar.
Really from what I've been reading and typical use at least locally, there are more people who couldn't care less if Dstar disappeared and replaced with DMR because few if any are actually experimenting with Dstar functionality. Seems almost like a novelty than something people could use every day. I'd say there are many more people using DMR on ham every day, at least around here, compared to people using Dstar every day - mostly due to the proliferation of cheap radios. This has an impact on repeater deployment which causes a self reinforcing loop that leaves the big 3 radios to analog.
Interoperability is also a radio to radio issue, nevermind differing entities that chose incompatible standards. Granted if the big 3 budge, it would mean the big three eating their own caviar. Honesty I would much rather Dstar be the ham standard as it's much more flexible, really want neither.
I don't believe I said that.Of course not everyone wants DMR, but it's also really far from false that nobody wants DMR.
Local use is important. What repeaters are available and who you want to talk to are critical factors in the acceptance or use of any digital voice mode.Really from what I've been reading and typical use at least locally...
Which brings up an interesting philosophical question. The least expensive Icom D-STAR dual-band handheld is about $340. The least expensive Yaesu System Fusion dual-band handheld is $150, though you can argue that the $300 radio is more versatile. So, let's say that to get a full-featured dual-band handheld using either of those modes is going to cost $300. What if all of the comparable DMR dual-band handhelds were also $300? Would DMR still be more popular? There's probably no quantifiable answer to that question, but it is worth considering....mostly due to the proliferation of cheap radios.
Interoperability keeps being tossed around in this discussion, but it comes down to "interoperability with whom?"Interoperability is also a radio to radio issue, nevermind differing entities that chose incompatible standards.
It's always been interoperability with other hams...
Why the upper levels chose DMR is a problem left unsolved...
but that's a totally separate issue and irrelevant to this post except for the fact that by choosing DMR, they endorse DMR.
Those that need for DMR for this or any other reason including using a DMR repeater network means they can't buy a big 3 radio if there's room for just one radio.
Now if you want the quality/features of a big 3 radio...
...want to interoperate with a DMR radio, you could still do so with analog, but then everyone has wasted money on digital.
Then, that's "their" problem, whoever "they" are. As I said, if they are requiring that boots on the ground use a particular mode, other than analog FM, then they are excluding people who could potentially volunteer or they will have to provide suitable radios.Why the upper levels chose DMR is a problem left unsolved, but that's a totally separate issue and irrelevant to this post except for the fact that by choosing DMR, they endorse DMR.
Your "need" is not necessarily everyone's need. This "need" is a contrivance, in my opinion. I can talk around the world with an analog FM radio, so why do I "need" DMR, D-STAR, System Fusion, NXDN, or P25?Those that need for DMR for this or any other reason including using a DMR repeater network means they can't buy a big 3 radio if there's room for just one radio.
I tend to agree. I have yet to see a use case for digital voice on amateur radio that justifies making the expenditure and segregating hams further than we are already segregated. There are approximately 800,000 FCC-licensed amateur radio operators. Of that 800k, a subset uses VHF/UHF repeaters. By adopting digital voice modes, we have taken that subset and further divided it into not only analog FM vs. digital voice, but analog FM vs. five different digital voice protocols. It makes no sense to me....you could still do so with analog, but then everyone has wasted money on digital.
One of my pet-peeves is people that refuses to learn how to build a codeplug, and instead begs for for a pre-made codeplug.
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I've gotten pretty proficient at writing codeplugs for my DMR radios. I have no problem starting from scratch and building up the codeplug. That being said, I learned an awful lot by looking at one that was already built to see how things are constructed. "Reverse Engineering" as it were.
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I’m in the process of building a 21 zone analogue/digital codeplug for my XPR-7550. Fun times.
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