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Which type of radio for shooting range?

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I volunteer time as a range safety officer at a local shooting range. We would like to get some 2-way radios. The terrain is flat but there are a lot of trees, very dense. The longest distance we would be transmitting is approx. 1 mile. I am thinking of getting a set of GMRS radios but not really sure if these would be the best. Would MURS be a better choice?

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The standard FRS radios will work fine. UHF tends to do well in foliage. They are inexpensive, so not the end of the world if you lose/break one. A couple of AA batteries will keep working for quite a while.

MURS would work just fine, but make sure you get decent radios. There are some really crappy ones out there, and don't even get me started on the Baofeng/cheap Chinese crap radios.
Icom and Ritron both make some really nice MURS radios that will outlast any of the cheap crap.
 

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The standard FRS radios will work fine. UHF tends to do well in foliage. They are inexpensive, so not the end of the world if you lose/break one. A couple of AA batteries will keep working for quite a while.

MURS would work just fine, but make sure you get decent radios. There are some really crappy ones out there, and don't even get me started on the Baofeng/cheap Chinese crap radios.
Icom and Ritron both make some really nice MURS radios that will outlast any of the cheap crap.

I too had to provide comm's for a large range and I purchased FRS blister pack radios and
it worked just fine. UHF works just perfectly.
 

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How close are you to a municipality? The amount of radio traffic may influence your choice.

Whatever band you select, find a radio with the highest audio output. You may have need to hear a critical transmission.
 

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FTFY.

Ear pro with integrated headset functionality or earbuds.

Earbuds work fine. The RSOs at the indoor range I'm a member of use FRS radios with earbuds inside their ear pro to communicate with the front lobby.

Really fancy would be electronic earmuffs that have BT capability, and connect those to your BT-enabled DMR radio. Peltor Comtac's with an XPR would be a $1k way to over-engineer the assignment
 

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I take a different view on using FRS in a possible life safety setting. You do not need some joker with a radio outside causing problems, especially at a critical time. The Motorola DTR series might be better, and you can set a security code that will keep people from listening, or interfering.
 

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Take a look at the Motorola DTR600. Great radio at a reasonable price and they are virtually private. The batteries also last a long long day.
 

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These in Direct Talk. Just picked up three brand new ones with chargers in a Pelican case for $80.
 

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Take a look at the Motorola DTR600. Great radio at a reasonable price and they are virtually private. The batteries also last a long long day.

Motorola specifically warns that the DTRs and the DLR1020/1060 radios are NOT recommended for public safety use.

If using conventional radios on GMRS, stick to using only good quality commercial gear. Nothing else is really up to the job. DO NOT use FRS bubble packs. Stay away from the CCRs, no matter how tempting the low low price may be, but you already knew that. LOL. You get what you pay for and spending a little more money on good quality commercial gear buys you much better radios.

Is the shooting range a commercial entity? If so, they would qualify for a license for Part 90 Industrial/Business pool frequencies. If so, this is a good way to go and use only good quality Part 90 commercial gear. You won't have to deal with local FRS bubble pack users.

Motorola APX noise canceling demo, or another reason to use only good quality commercial gear:

You are potentially dealing with safety of life and limb and you should have some serious radios that are up to the job.
 
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Thanks for all the replys.

To answer a few issues, the range is out in the sticks but right next to Farragut State Park (N. Idaho). FRS type radios are probably used by kids in the park and that would be a concern with interference. However when I just monitor the GMRS, MURS and FRS frequencies they are almost always silent. As RSOs we would most likely wear the radio on our belt as the vests (flimsy) we wear are not made for wearing a radio near the shoulder and close to the ear. The best method would probably be to attach an earphone to the radio and wear it under the earmuffs. My electronic earmuffs has a jack for a MP3 player so I could use that to connect to the radio. In reality we would use the radio VERY little but we do want them for safety and the emergency we hope never comes.

We will probably go with a commercial grade radio but the band to use is still in question. Any recommendations on brands? The licensing is an issue too.
 

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My electronic earmuffs has a jack for a MP3 player so I could use that to connect to the radio. In reality we would use the radio VERY little but we do want them for safety and the emergency we hope never comes.

One issue you may run into is that when you plug a headset into the radio, it's also looking for the mic, and may or may not disconnect the front of radio microphone. Find out how it works before buying.

Most quality radio manufacturers will sell two way headsets designed for high noise environments. They'll provide the hearing protection, plus the speaker and microphone.


We will probably go with a commercial grade radio but the band to use is still in question. Any recommendations on brands? The licensing is an issue too.

I wouldn't waste your time on licensing. There are license by rule/licensee free services that will fit your needs just fine. You don't need to go overboard on this.
If you really wanted to go the licensed route, you'd need to do frequency coordination, and that'll be $250/$300 per frequency, plus the cost of the license. Sure, you could bypass frequency coordination and use itinerant channels with an FCC license, but you'll have zero protection from interference.

The Motorola DTR radios may be your best choice. No FCC license required, some pretty good security, and decent radios.
If that's not something you want to do, next choice would be some good MURS radios. Icom makes some good ones that will work well, same with the Ritron radios.

Don't let some shop oversell you on radios. You need something decent, but you can do that easily for $200 or less. If anyone starts trying to convince you that you need Motorola APX radios with AES256 encryption, you're getting hosed.

If you want better radio recommendations, you need to tell us what your budget is. Prices can be all over the place….
 

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We don't really have a "budget" but our range boss has no problem with getting commercial radios. I have all but ruled out Chinese radios and other low priced rigs. I forgot about using remote speaker.mics that clip onto the vests while the radio is on the belt. Will probably go that way. Still debating what band to use.
 

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Still debating what band to use.

For that short a distance, it really doesn't matter. UHF or VHF will cover it just fine.

I'd recommend one of these two radios:
V10MR Multi-Use Radio Service (MURS) Transceiver - Features - Icom America V10mr is the MURS radio. Icom makes really good stuff and has an excellent selection of accessories.

NT Series, MURS/VHF/UHF, Ritron 2-Way Radios NT152M is the MURS radio. My brother in law uses these for his tower crews. Good radios. Cost more than the cheap stuff, but they work well.
 

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What public safety issue is there in running a range. Seriously, the distance isn't that far and the DTR radios, or a plethora of others would work fine.
 

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We decided to go with the Kenwood TK-3000 UHF radios. Will see how well they perform in the forest part of the range (3D archery range).

Thanks to everyone for their advice and comments.
 
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