Why is the Harris XL200 so popular ?

[radiotech33]

Looks like on ebay the XL200 Radio is a must ..

 

[Ravenfalls]

Probably because it's the latest model? M APX NEXT is more scarce with a higher price tag.

Will the XL200 do non affiliate scan? Software wise RPM 14 most likely will not work on the XL?

 

[radiotech33]

What will the XL200 do that the XL100p wont ?

XP100

 

[merlin]

They are the new kid on the block with advancements over the XG-100. They still have bugs to be worked out as a couple large agencies sent them back staying with the XGs, the latter being field proven a long time.

 

[merlin]

What will the XL200 do that the XL100p wont ?

Only way to tell that is compare the product data sheets, but I hear they have an advanced processor over the XGs.
XL100 is just little brother to the 200, More bandplans and channels. Total compatibility with other systems for interop.

 

[mmckenna]

What will the XL200 do that the XL100p wont ?

LTE and WiFi

I've got 2 XL-200M's and 2 XL-200P's on order for my shop and likely shifting our PD over to them.

Fully loaded, a bit less expensive than a similarly provisioned APX-8000
Mobiles will do low band
The BeON system is pretty dang good and most feel it is superior to the Motorola offering
After being a Motorola customer for a long time, there's value in not being a Motorola customer anymore.
RPM works with all their radios from the last 10 years or so.

 

[BMDaug]

The 200P is an evolution of the 100P. It’s built on a more stable hardware platform, with added features like LTE and WI-FI, which allow for industry leading POC.

Yes, you can NAS just as easily as with a 100P and the hardware is more robust than a 100P while maintaining a more traditional ‘radio’ user experience over a product like the next. You do need to use RPM2 for programming.

I have no interest in becoming a M customer. While the 200P still has a few bugs, I think the platform is more mature for it’s age than the 100P…

I’m looking to pick on up sooner rather than later! Still I think the most solid Harris LMR offering at the moment is the XG100M…

-B

 

[TDR-94]

The XL-200P also has custom profiles and multiple audio payback capability, programming over Wi-Fi, better battery life. It has an adjustable squelch control and it has multiple encryption mute options and support for TDMA CC's.

None of which are supported on the XG-100P.

And no L3HARRIS radios (or any other manufacturers radios) work with the NAS method. Only Motorola radios can monitor TG's while scanning the trunked frequencies programmed as a conventional personality.

 

[BMDaug]

And no L3HARRIS radios (or any other manufacturers radios) work with the NAS method. Only Motorola radios can monitor TG's while scanning the trunked frequencies programmed as a conventional personality.

Curious to know what you mean by this. I definitely NAS with my Harris radios (and by this I mean the ability to scan a trunked system without affiliating) which is what the acronym stands for (non-affiliate scan). The Harris line of radios excel at this by design… it’s very simple to scan a set of TGs or even sit on one particular TG without ever affiliating with the site.

-B

 

[TDR-94]

NAS is a method to get past affiliating on a Motorola radio. You generally can't program a Motorola radio to not affiliate, if it's being programmed with a trunked personality. The NAS method scans the trunked frequencies like a conventional frequency set and allows you to hold on a TG and monitor it.

You can NOT do that with an L3HARRIS radio. Those radios will unmute for every bit of traffic being scanned on those frequencies. You can not monitor a particular TG that way. You can only monitor a specific TG if the radio is programmed with a trunked personality.

You just uncheck the registration or affiliate box with an L3HARRIS radio. There is no "scanning' trick to get around affiliating.

 

[BMDaug]

NAS is a method to get past affiliating on a Motorola radio. You generally can't program a Motorola radio to not affiliate, if it's being programmed with a trunked personality. The NAS method scans the trunked frequencies like a conventional frequency set and allows you to hold on a TG and monitor it.

You can NOT do that with an L3HARRIS radio. Those radios will unmute for every bit of traffic being scanned on those frequencies. You can not monitor a particular TG that way. You can only monitor a specific TG if the radio is programmed with a trunked personality.

You just uncheck the registration or affiliate box with an L3HARRIS radio. There is no scanning trick to get around affiliating.

I see what you are saying now… people talk all the time about how a Harris radio is superior for NAS so I guess it’s just a misappropriation of the term. If you take the term literally, I think it still applies to a Harris radio, but in colloquium, perhaps not…

I’m not sure what the spirit of the question is, but it’s definitely possible to scan a set of TGs in a trunked system without fear of affiliating using a 200P.

Thanks for clarifying!!

-B

 

[nikronzo]

NAS is getting to be a conflicting and overused term

The NAS method scans the trunked frequencies like a conventional frequency set and allows you to hold on a TG and monitor it.

Almost, NAS on a moto radio sets up all the trunking parameters as a normal subscriber would but the TGs are placed into a hidden channel or zone and then slaved into a scan list>then slaved into a conventional personailty>and then slaved into an un-hidden channel. The method you mentioned is another means of scanning trunked TGs with just conv channels and a Talkgroup tag.

On the L3 side, the word NAS is becoming cloudy, Harris hardware including the XL Line are capable of monitoring (Rx) Trunked traffic without REGISTERING the radio. There is a parameter in the trunking system that you set to never register and then in the talkgroups you set them to Rx only with no Tx or Calls enabled. The radio will now never register on the trunk or affiliate on a TG when properly set up.

Harris radios are the perfect meld of a Scanner and a Two-Way because they will do trunk scanning passively and never miss a call and also handle Dual Priority incredibly well, something a Moto doing NAS can't do.

 

[BMDaug]

On the L3 side, the word NAS is becoming cloudy, Harris hardware including the XL Line are capable of monitoring (Rx) Trunked traffic without REGISTERING the radio.

I get what you’re saying, but registering = affiliating… this is just a terminology issue and there are MANY in the radio world… you don’t load a code plug to a Harris radio, you load a personality to a Harris radio or a mission plan, depending on the radio and you use RPM (radio personality manager) to load it, not CSS. The terms still get interchanged, sometimes purposefully when trying to explain a concept to a party that’s not familiar with a particular platform. This can become confusing, especially in the case of a ‘personality’, which in the M world a part of a single code plug, while in the Harris world, it’s the equivalent to a code plug.

The point here is that nothing is clouded if you understand the various platforms and the underlying purpose of non affiliated scanning, which is to not register or affiliate with a site. Is it Kleenex or is it Soft Facial Tissue?

-B

 

[TDR-94]

NAS is getting to be a conflicting and overused term

Almost, NAS on a moto radio sets up all the trunking parameters as a normal subscriber would but the TGs are placed into a hidden channel or zone and then slaved into a scan list>then slaved into a conventional personailty>and then slaved into an un-hidden channel. The method you mentioned is another means of scanning trunked TGs with just conv channels and a Talkgroup tag.

On the L3 side, the word NAS is becoming cloudy, Harris hardware including the XL Line are capable of monitoring (Rx) Trunked traffic without REGISTERING the radio. There is a parameter in the trunking system that you set to never register and then in the talkgroups you set them to Rx only with no Tx or Calls enabled. The radio will now never register on the trunk or affiliate on a TG when properly set up.

Harris radios are the perfect meld of a Scanner and a Two-Way because they will do trunk scanning passively and never miss a call and also handle Dual Priority incredibly well, something a Moto doing NAS can't do.

Yeah, I was just describing the simplest and easiest method to understand the difference.

 

[TDR-94]

if an L3HARRIS radio isn't performing any scan operation and it's not registering, then I suppose NAS would have no context.

 

[BMDaug]

Do we need a different term for more flexible radios that can do this without programming tricks? ROM (Receive Only Monitor)? URM (UnRegistered Monitoring)? And here I was thinking that NAS was just a generic term for scanning or monitoring a trunked system without affiliating with a site… silly me! Maybe NAS™ is more appropriate…🤦🏼‍♂️

-B

To the OP’s question, it’s a (relatively) new radio with modern features made by a great company. Lots of market research went into it’s creation, from feature-set to ergonomics.

 

[TDR-94]

Passive monitoring always worked for me. No confusing NAS with NAF, NSA, NOS etc.

The XL-200P also has a better screen to keypad ratio. I hate the XG-100P keypad with a passion.

 

[ElroyJetson]

Take it from me, using Harris (GE legacy brands...) radios as scanners is easier and safer than using Motorola radios.

I can program up any of my Harris radios with no tricks required, just check the receive only box for every talkgroup, and disable all login/affiliate options, to make a truly safe and silent scanner.

As long as you can obtain a license for RPM or RPM 2, (or maybe a "liberated" version....) it's all very easy with a Harris radio.

I'd like to get an XL200P. The way things are going I'll probably be able to find one in my price range before I find an APX8000 in my price range, although in general I prefer Motorola and would like very much to have an APX8000.

 

[ElroyJetson]

NAS, Non Affiliated Scan, is a term that has been used almost exclusively to describe the proven safe method of using a Motorola radio to monitor a trunked radio system. The method uses the unique ability of a Motorola radio to scan trunked talkgroup scan lists that are slaved to a conventional personality, so the radio "looks over the fence", so to speak, while staying parked on a safe conventional channel.

This is done because Motorola didn't elect to provide true receive only functionality in a trunked environment.

Harris radios can more easily be programmed to scan without transmitting, but in order to avoid confusing people by using the same name for two very different things, it is not recommended that you describe this as NAS when using a Harris radio.

NAS is basically a lesson of its own. It applies to Motorola radios. If you teach it to a newcomer who has a Harris radio, confusion can result,
because you literally can not use the Motorola NAS method on a Harris radio. Harris radios do not have the ability to scan trunked talkgroups from a conventional channel.

So please, for the simple reason of avoiding confusion, particularly for newcomers to the hobby, don't use the term NAS when talking about a Harris radio. Just call it no transmit scanning or something.

 

[BMDaug]

NAS, Non Affiliated Scan, is a term that has been used almost exclusively to describe the proven safe method of using a Motorola radio to monitor a trunked radio system. The method uses the unique ability of a Motorola radio to scan trunked talkgroup scan lists that are slaved to a conventional personality, so the radio "looks over the fence", so to speak, while staying parked on a safe conventional channel.

This is done because Motorola didn't elect to provide true receive only functionality in a trunked environment.

Harris radios can more easily be programmed to scan without transmitting, but in order to avoid confusing people by using the same name for two very different things, it is not recommended that you describe this as NAS when using a Harris radio.

NAS is basically a lesson of its own. It applies to Motorola radios. If you teach it to a newcomer who has a Harris radio, confusion can result,
because you literally can not use the Motorola NAS method on a Harris radio. Harris radios do not have the ability to scan trunked talkgroups from a conventional channel.

So please, for the simple reason of avoiding confusion, particularly for newcomers to the hobby, don't use the term NAS when talking about a Harris radio. Just call it no transmit scanning or something.

I’m all for using different terminology, and I admit that I’m guilty of misusing the term, but I think I speak for a lot of folks when I say that I learned the nomenclature FROM the forum without knowing any better. Based on hundreds of threads and thousands of posts, the term is used generically across many platforms. So just know that changing the colloquium is gonna take time and constant effort. Keep on it and don’t get upset. You have a lot of brains to reprogram!

The XL200P has some really great ergo. The ability to change the backlight color on the top screen is perfect for quickly identifying which channel you are on at a glance or even in a smoky environment. The noise cancellation is amazing and audio quality is first rate. Plus, there’s no weird design stuff going on… it’s always so weird to me that the keypad and display are on the ‘back’ of an APX8000, or is the main speaker on the back and the keypad and display are on the front? It’s fine, just odd feeling to me. I also think L3H has some really interesting speaker mic options, especially for fire ground and having a fourth channel bank is great since having the ability to select more channels faster is always welcomed. The ability to program multiple radios at once from RPM over Wi-Fi is also helpful.

-B