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Wideband FM on TK-5810H(G) K2 HW ver. 3.0 for use in GMRS (Part 95) and Amateur Bands (Part 97)

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Thanks for the input - the first response in the thread indicated that doing so would be a pricey option. Any suggestions on a ham / GMRS-friendly Kenwood dealer that would be able to sell me such a feature license?
 

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There are Kenwood dealers on this page, but it's up to them to speak up and offer to help.
Won't make a difference in price, but finding one that is willing to work with hams will make life easier.
 

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It's been a while, but yes, firmware versions and software versions are linked pretty closely with most of the recent Kenwood stuff. The error you are getting is what I recall getting when trying to talk to newer firmware radios with older software.

I have the wideband license for my KPG-95, so I've never had a need to try and roll back firmware on a radio. I do believe you need to be very careful with the firmware and the version of radio you have. There is a reason there is different version radios, and trying to cram older firmware into a newer radio may not go the way you want.

Easiest solution to all this is to bite the bullet and get the wideband license for your KPG software. That was the intent of Kenwood, and while there may be hacks to get around it, those of us who use these radios for what they were intended don't have a need to try and do it any other way.

As I mentioned in my post, I run this exact combination of hardware and firmware on wideband and using 7.01. Going to DGN gets rid of features, and in some cases, Kenwood recommends older software (such as TFS on the x180s).

Does the radio still think it has a KCH-16? Have you written it to tell it that it has a KCH-15? Why are you "reading configuration" after manually specifying it in Product Information? That is redundant.

If you manually specify the options, then write the radio, you may get an error, especially since if the file in the radio thinks it has a different head. You'll also get the error if written with newer software.

These radios are very hard to brick compared to a Motorola. If it were me, I'd save the known working file I had made using 95DGN, and make a new file in 95DG and dump it in the radio, overwriting the existing info in the radio. There's no tuning data saved in the file, it's only frequency info. If you try to read a radio written in DGN with DG, it won't work. If you just create a new file in DG for a radio, the radio will work just fine.
 

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So many things I want to say but let's keep it simple. Japan is very much of the if it is not broken then there is logically no reason to fix it mentality when it comes to firmware and it's not just difficult to obtain firmware for dealers/users but as an AFCO employee...a portal would be nice but because a lot of the firmware I deal with is for a specific solution I have to get it straight from Japan anyway. That being said, I wouldn't necessarily update firmware just because something newer is out. If it doesn't fix a specific problem...especially with the first gen P25 stuff...just leave it alone.

I do have experience with the Kenwood dealers over promising or not seeing the customer's through their issues. One specifically has made extremely difficult to sell Viking solutions on a specific system due to everything being branded Kenwood even though EF Johnson is an independently operated company and the solutions being offered are only available through EF Johnson. It's a catch 22 of the branding.
 

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Thanks,

I'll check that out. Since this is 3.0 hardware (well, that's what the Kenwood label says), and I was not successful connecting to the radio with D or DG revs, I will have to dig more into that and see if I can enable front panel programming and try it.
Did you ever resolve this? I'm in a similar situation With my TK-5210G k3
It came with " software enabled" trunking and worked great. Unfortunately I had the firmware with the PL Tone bug and would spend hours trying to get my audio to open up after adding a new frequency. I learned that it was most likely a firmware flaw so I Upgraded. What I DID NOT know.. After upgrading the firmware to the most recent, I lost the ability to use KPG-95D And DG With my Engineering Key. It now is only able to be read with the kpg-DGN version 8.23 which currently has no 'KNOW' engineer key thanks to the software engineers at JVC-Kenwood
I could live with all of this. What really sheet's in my Corn-Flakes, Is the fact I lost my Trunking Option! Due to the upgrade in firmware this radio is no longer capable of "Software Enabled Trunking" I now need "Hardware-Enabled Trunking' feature Which I no nothing about and I'm certain that it will not be cheap.
If Someone out there with any ideas or a possible solution please don't hesitate to hit me back via email or reply. Bottom line is, I feel your pain and hope you were able to resolve your issue.
 

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Did you ever resolve this? I'm in a similar situation With my TK-5210G k3
It came with " software enabled" trunking and worked great. Unfortunately I had the firmware with the PL Tone bug and would spend hours trying to get my audio to open up after adding a new frequency. I learned that it was most likely a firmware flaw so I Upgraded. What I DID NOT know.. After upgrading the firmware to the most recent, I lost the ability to use KPG-95D And DG With my Engineering Key. It now is only able to be read with the kpg-DGN version 8.23 which currently has no 'KNOW' engineer key thanks to the software engineers at JVC-Kenwood
I could live with all of this. What really sheet's in my Corn-Flakes, Is the fact I lost my Trunking Option! Due to the upgrade in firmware this radio is no longer capable of "Software Enabled Trunking" I now need "Hardware-Enabled Trunking' feature Which I no nothing about and I'm certain that it will not be cheap.
If Someone out there with any ideas or a possible solution please don't hesitate to hit me back via email or reply. Bottom line is, I feel your pain and hope you were able to resolve your issue.
I got some out-of-forum help to resolve my issue and am now able to program wideband FM channels to my heart's content. The solution was an entitlement key for the KPG-95DGN release. I found it searching the Internet, but unfortunately, the machine I used to find it died before I was able to go back and find it in my history and bookmark it. Lesson learned, don't wait to bookmark stuff, and back those bookmarks up! Anyway, I don't remember which key it was that worked (i.e., engineer or dealer or something else) to get DGN to do what I wanted it to do. I haven't looked at this in more than two years and much of my information disappeared in that system crash that claimed the URL where I found the key to try.

There are packages for KPG-95D/DG/DGN with various keys offered for sale for about $25 up on eBay for versions up to and including 8.30. One that I looked at offered a 'dealer' key for the DGN package, with 'engineer' keys for the D and DG variants. Of course, I have no way of knowing whether that would restore the feature you are looking to use like it did for me. I am also currently without a set up to be able to test this since I relocated about a year ago.

If you want to ask me anything offline, I can be reached via e-mail at my username here as the user at the domain dot net.
 
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