Wyfr

[Jimepage]

Hi folks.
I just wanted to comment on the coverage of WYFR Family Radio. Does anyone else feel they have an entirely excessive amount of frequencies they broadcast on? I can think of 10 different times I tried to log a DX station only to find WYFR broadcasting loud and proud over them... It's frustrating for me anyways. Sorry to nit pick but I feel as though there are plenty of frequencies in the electromagnetic spectrum to be able to share the waves. Sure there are others who broadcast over others but not to the extent WYFR does. I really enjoy pulling in weak stations from around the world but these guys are always in the way. Perhaps I am being a big baby and have no argument but does anyone else feel this way?

 

[Saint]

Family Radio

Hi folks.
I just wanted to comment on the coverage of WYFR Family Radio. Does anyone else feel they have an entirely excessive amount of frequencies they broadcast on? I can think of 10 different times I tried to log a DX station only to find WYFR broadcasting loud and proud over them... It's frustrating for me anyways. Sorry to nit pick but I feel as though there are plenty of frequencies in the electromagnetic spectrum to be able to share the waves. Sure there are others who broadcast over others but not to the extent WYFR does. I really enjoy pulling in weak stations from around the world but these guys are always in the way. Perhaps I am being a big baby and have no argument but does anyone else feel this way?

I agree with you, I was doing searches last night and they were every where, really can't get away from them, never new god's message had to be that loud !
Steve

 

[Token]

WYFR is certainly prolific, but then again that is up to them. They seem to want to have three or more outlets active at any one time in every SW band. In the past other stations have been on the same level of saturation, I remember not being able to tune across any SW band without hearing at least 5 or 6 outlets of Radio Moscow. Or Radio Prague, the extreme mouthpiece of the Soviet Block, saying things that Radio Moscow chose not to put on their service as they might appear to biased, Prague would have at least a couple outlets up at any time on many bands. Now, naturally, Radio Prague is closing its doors at the end of this month. Even today it is still common practice in some areas to broadcast your own internal service on top of a station that might have a message you do not like.

Right now WYFR is not the most active broadcaster though, although I have not really counted the outlets a look at the list would seem to indicate that particular title goes to China. It is literally the bane of my SW BC tuning. China has outlets everywhere, and they often don't bother staying within the SW BC bands.

As far as WYFR being on top of another station, that is just the way it is, and always has been on SW. WYFR is strong signal for you, so you notice it easily. For me WYFR is not that strong, but noticeable all the same. If you look at the list you will see that very few frequencies, particularly in the more popular bands, do not have two or more stations (and not WYFR) broadcasting at the same time, often for multiple time slots each day. Again, I just now tried to listen for the English service on Radio Bangladesh, on 4750 kHz between 1530 and 1545, only to have it covered by China National Radio 1.

Yeah, I understand the need to vent, and understand your plight. But what are the options? Would you support censorship in the form of total time limits for SW BCers so that they could not “hog” too much spectrum? It is what it is, and a cure might kill the patient.

T!

 

[Jimepage]

Yea I understand they are totally in the bounds of legality and it is surely there choice. I just get frustrated hehe. I enjoy listening to China. I am not very religious but China's signal is clear here on the east coast and their programming is somewhat interesting. I am more of a news guy and I love to hear the different points of view from the worlds stations. But a lot of times WYFR is 5 khz over or on same freq and it drives nuts. Not a personal attack it is somewhat comical but upsetting when I think of a few stations I am missing out on because theres that same droning gospel music a few freqs over.

 

[ridgescan]

If you look at all my loggings you will see no interference from WYFR. Yeah they are everywhere but there's plenty other DXs all over the bands to go around I've even caught a Family Radio broadcast transmitting from Africa-no not a relay here-a transmitter there. Now that's my kind of interference

 

[Jimepage]

Yea you are on the opposite side of the country I assure you it is more then a nuisance for me.

 

[Jimepage]

If you look at all my loggings you will see no interference from WYFR. Yeah they are everywhere but there's plenty other DXs all over the bands to go around I've even caught a Family Radio broadcast transmitting from Africa-no not a relay here-a transmitter there. Now that's my kind of interference

Well they do broadcast at the same time on the same frequencies as a few dx stations I will never hear because of them. So yea you are incorrect. I don't have to look at your loggings to know one way or another.. If you would like me to site examples I will. Perhaps you are farther from wyfr's transmitters but because they dont have an antenna pointed at you doesn't mean they dont for me.... If you meant they aren't an issue with your loggings then I am sorry but if you are saying I am not being truthful you are wrong.

 

[ka3jjz]

The fact is, guys, both of you might be right. Propagation on the East and West Coasts can be VERY different; the fact that WYFR is widely heard on one coast, not on the other, might be due to time of day, the beam direction, frequency and a number of other factors.

As an example, the difference really gets going when East Coasters try to hear Far East and Asian stations that the West Coast considers easy; the reverse can happen with deep Latin American stations, where the East has an advantaqe.

It's quite difficult to pinpoint one specific cause of the differences, but differences there most certainly are. best regards..Mike

 

[k9rzz]

Enjoy what's on the air because in the future they will be gone. VOA used to be everywhere, now most of their stations have been dismantled. Finland, Sweden, BBC used to be common place. Same with KGEI, Radio Braz, Radio Moscow. Embrace what you've got now. My .02

 

[ridgescan]

Well they do broadcast at the same time on the same frequencies as a few dx stations I will never hear because of them. So yea you are incorrect. I don't have to look at your loggings to know one way or another.. If you would like me to site examples I will. Perhaps you are farther from wyfr's transmitters but because they dont have an antenna pointed at you doesn't mean they dont for me.... If you meant they aren't an issue with your loggings then I am sorry but if you are saying I am not being truthful you are wrong.

I don't get where I inferred you were lying?? Jim-I was answering your original question in the 1st post "do you guys feel the same way?" That's all. I was siting my loggings simply because, as many as I have put in here not one is overrun by WYFR.
I will be nice here and say that I am sorry you have such trouble there with that station see Warren-no flaming poo
I was trying to say what k9rzz just said in that there's plenty good DX all over the bands where WYFR aint...wait-I am repeating myself-

k9 if I embrace SWL any harder I'll strangle the R71 to death

 

[Jimepage]

The angels are mooning you and you do not get the message. What will you do when it rains flaming poo? What WILL you DO?

Hmmm... sorry to offend you

 

[Jimepage]

Sorry double post

 

[Jimepage]

I don't get where I inferred you were lying?? Jim-I was answering your original question in the 1st post "do you guys feel the same way?" That's all. I was siting my loggings simply because, as many as I have put in here not one is overrun by WYFR.
I will be nice here and say that I am sorry you have such trouble there with that station see Warren-no flaming poo
I was trying to say what k9rzz just said in that there's plenty good DX all over the bands where WYFR aint...wait-I am repeating myself-

k9 if I embrace SWL any harder I'll strangle the R71 to death

Sorry bro. It sounded condesending to me but now that I read it again I feel like a #$^#^$. There is no way to show emotions on the keyboard. People use emoticons in a sarcastic manner constantly. I truly am sorry bro.

 

[ridgescan]

No apology neccessary Jim gees I better recheck my stuff-I never thought I would ever come across as condescending but I understand how you would conclude that way-folks can be real nasty about stuff in here. I won't be that way unless someone gets that way to me first
On your topic though-I'm thinking a more directional antenna-like a magnetic loop-may help your way around YFRs splatter. Might be worth looking into...heck-they even have videos on youtube on how to make your own!

 

[Jimepage]

No apology neccessary Jim gees I better recheck my stuff-I never thought I would ever come across as condescending but I understand how you would conclude that way-folks can be real nasty about stuff in here. I won't be that way unless someone gets that way to me first
On your topic though-I'm thinking a more directional antenna-like a magnetic loop-may help your way around YFRs splatter. Might be worth looking into...heck-they even have videos on youtube on how to make your own!

No friend no need to check your posts the problem is me. I started on this forum and lets just say the reception was not warm from a couple individuals.. Other then that some of the nicest people are on this board! Excellent suggestion with the mag loop! I have attempted to play with a couple designs I even cracked open a couple clock radios to look for proper capacitors but no luck they were all too small. So I went with the idiot proof random wire! I am afraid I might have to purchase a small mag loop for 300 some where. I wish I could befriend an elmer in my neck of the woods but very few ham operators in this area. People have actually accused me of being a spy because they have little understanding of what a shortwave radio is at the jersey shore! If you dont like beer and football here you are considered alien lol. I was looking on the internet for a nice receive loop but there arent many cheap ones. I was thinking the alex loop it seemed the cheapest but I figured if I told him it is receive only maybe he could knock a couple bucks off. I love the wellbrook ALA1530 or the AOR models but quite expensive. So unless I get rich or something I am thinking about checking ebay for some capacitors and try again to experiment.

 

[ka3jjz]

Jime, take a look at the links here in this wiki article - loops of many kinds, some expensive, some not, some indoor and some huge outdoor - all presented here...

Loops - The RadioReference Wiki

best regards..Mike

 

[ridgescan]

No friend no need to check your posts the problem is me. I started on this forum and lets just say the reception was not warm from a couple individuals.. Other then that some of the nicest people are on this board! Excellent suggestion with the mag loop! I have attempted to play with a couple designs I even cracked open a couple clock radios to look for proper capacitors but no luck they were all too small. So I went with the idiot proof random wire! I am afraid I might have to purchase a small mag loop for 300 some where. I wish I could befriend an elmer in my neck of the woods but very few ham operators in this area. People have actually accused me of being a spy because they have little understanding of what a shortwave radio is at the jersey shore! If you dont like beer and football here you are considered alien lol. I was looking on the internet for a nice receive loop but there arent many cheap ones. I was thinking the alex loop it seemed the cheapest but I figured if I told him it is receive only maybe he could knock a couple bucks off. I love the wellbrook ALA1530 or the AOR models but quite expensive. So unless I get rich or something I am thinking about checking ebay for some capacitors and try again to experiment.

No the problem is not YOU the problem is the idiots who gave you that crappy reception here. I had the same "devilhorns" type welcome way back when-I don't know what it is with this place-radio guys are smart and I guess with that comes some arrogance
Anyways-Mike's link has a good amount of loops in it-I hope you get one going for that shack so you can log up some DXs you've been after

 

[Jimepage]

Thanks mike!! Lots of links there I am gonna spend some time on them! And thanks Ridge I will see if i can try to something with all this info Cheers!

 

[ridgescan]

Thanks mike!! Lots of links there I am gonna spend some time on them! And thanks Ridge I will see if i can try to something with all this info Cheers!

Good luck Jim-I hope you nail this