XG-100M and DMR

[merlin]

OK, for all the reading and confusion, I am wondering just what the limits and capabilities of DMR the XG-100M will support.
I have a bunch of conventional analog channels programmed now and those work great but I am looking to go with digital voice with a few more channels.

 

[prcguy]

OK, for all the reading and confusion, I am wondering just what the limits and capabilities of DMR the XG-100M will support.
I have a bunch of conventional analog channels programmed now and those work great but I am looking to go with digital voice with a few more channels.

What? I've never heard of a Harris that can do DMR, especially the XG-100P and M. The RPM programming software does not support any DMR programming either. They do P25 real nice.

 

[merlin]

Well, that is the gist I got. So what about channels with digital voice, would I need to resort to P25 conventional and talkaround ?

 

[K2NEC]

Merlin, lay off the Whiskey my friend, there is no documentation of the XG-100 series ever supporting DMR

XG-100 supports P25 as long as it has the feature

 

[merlin]

Just thought it would be cute to listen in on 2 meter digital repeater.
Put the scanner and SDR away.
Maybe the key word here should be digital voice.
I have a P5100, two channels. 1 is analog and talks to the XG just fine.
channel2 is digital (provoice?) I would like the 2 radios to talk digital.
It was easy with the P5100 but the XG with RPM has different pull downs and tabs.
Seems no options for any digital voice. I know I am overlooking something, just haven't figured out what.
TNX
PS: The XG-100 is loaded quite well with features, the only want is UHF.

 

[BMDaug]

DMR is absolutely not supported. Zero support. Will not work at all.

ProVoice and Aegis predate P25. They allowed for digital (and encrypted digital) communications within a standard FM modulated channel. They also were used with EDACS.

Either way, none of this has anything to do with DMR.

-B

 

[nikronzo]

If you want a Harris platform that does DMR you need to get the Momentum radios. Never touched them, dont know how they perform or work.

 

[BigLebowski]

The XG-100M is capable of analog, P25 Conventional, and P25 trunking. With the CH721 head, it will also do EDACS, maybe Provoice as well but only with the CH721 head. No DMR, no NXDN, or any other format.

 

[wa8pyr]

If you want a Harris platform that does DMR you need to get the Momentum radios. Never touched them, dont know how they perform or work.

I've got a couple of Momentum repeaters here; they work fine. It's really just a rebadged Hytera.

 

[merlin]

OK, this is where I am confused. you are saying the ONLY digital voice is with P25 p1 or p2 (Y/N)
Yea, I have the CH-721 head.
What about private call, that has encryption options, so how would they encrypt analog.
(Icom had something like that)
DMR was just a thought. I figured NXDN was out. The radio has the provoice options.
It seems odd my P7100 does provoice digital. Even an LPE200 does provoice.
One other ODD is anything analog will do wideband, and I thought these narrow band only.
Sheesh.

 

[BigLebowski]

@merlin Yes, analog, P25, and Provoice (If it has that option, and I am assuming there) only. Private calls and encryption would be in the format of whatever system you are on (P25 or Provoice). If you are not a legitimate subscriber, private calls are irrelevant.

All of these will do wideband as long as the "Wideband Disabled" option isn't turned on. Regardless, they will still do wideband on VHF Amateur and Marine as well as T-Band, 800mhz, and Low Band.

 

[prcguy]

OK, this is where I am confused. you are saying the ONLY digital voice is with P25 p1 or p2 (Y/N)
Yea, I have the CH-721 head.
What about private call, that has encryption options, so how would they encrypt analog.
(Icom had something like that)
DMR was just a thought. I figured NXDN was out. The radio has the provoice options.
It seems odd my P7100 does provoice digital. Even an LPE200 does provoice.
One other ODD is anything analog will do wideband, and I thought these narrow band only.
Sheesh.

The XG-100M does analog all day long and if it doesn't currently do wideband its just an inexpensive thing to have a dealer fix with a download to the radio. Its advertised as being able to do EDACS and ProVoice with the 721 head but but if your radio doesn't have them you would have to purchase them, if its even available. Otherwise P25 P1 and P2 are the only digital voice options you would normally see in these radios.

 

[BMDaug]

So the only digital mode available is NOT P25, but ProVoice is not a standard that works with “DMR” or any other modern digital mode. ProVoice is what I think of as “Digital over FM” where P25 and most modern digital modes are C4FM. That’s how you do an encrypted private call from a conventional analog set… ProVoice.

-B

 

[merlin]

@merlin Yes, analog, P25, and Provoice (If it has that option, and I am assuming there) only. Private calls and encryption would be in the format of whatever system you are on (P25 or Provoice). If you are not a legitimate subscriber, private calls are irrelevant.

All of these will do wideband as long as the "Wideband Disabled" option isn't turned on. Regardless, they will still do wideband on VHF Amateur and Marine as well as T-Band, 800mhz, and Low Band.

OK, This has the wideband disable. I also solved SOME of my wants.
P25 conventional at least gives me C4FM. I re did the P7100 in like manner.
The XG talks digital to the 7100, only with some hefty echo. Key the 7100 and no audio unmute.
It displays the radio ID is all.
Provoice I have tossed for now, but progress is made.

The XG-100M does analog all day long and if it doesn't currently do wideband its just an inexpensive thing to have a dealer fix with a download to the radio. Its advertised as being able to do EDACS and ProVoice with the 721 head but but if your radio doesn't have them you would have to purchase them, if its even available. Otherwise P25 P1 and P2 are the only digital voice options you would normally see in these radios.

I can select wide or narrow on analog channels. with P25 that switch is disabled.
I do get digital C4FM voice without phase 1 or 2.
About the only feature this doesn't have is UHF but I will be doing something about that.
TNX

 

[BMDaug]

OK, This has the wideband disable. I also solved SOME of my wants.
P25 conventional at least gives me C4FM. I re did the P7100 in like manner.
The XG talks digital to the 7100, only with some hefty echo. Key the 7100 and no audio unmute.
Provoice I have tossed for now, but progress is made.

I can select wide or narrow on analog channels. with P25 that switch is disabled.
I do get digital C4FM voice without phase 1 or 2.
About the only feature this doesn't have is UHF but I will be doing something about that.
TNX

So you have the 33 P25 CAI (P25 Conventional), but not 39 Trunking or 47 Phase II TDMA. I have seven P7100s in VHF that all have 33 and 37 (P25 AES), which you will also need on a P7100 and the XG100M to do encrypted P25.

-B

 

[prcguy]

OK, This has the wideband disable. I also solved SOME of my wants.
P25 conventional at least gives me C4FM. I re did the P7100 in like manner.
The XG talks digital to the 7100, only with some hefty echo. Key the 7100 and no audio unmute.
It displays the radio ID is all.
Provoice I have tossed for now, but progress is made.

I can select wide or narrow on analog channels. with P25 that switch is disabled.
I do get digital C4FM voice without phase 1 or 2.
About the only feature this doesn't have is UHF but I will be doing something about that.
TNX

You want DMR? How bout I trade you an Anytone D578UV for your Harris? It not only has 2m and 440 but also 220!

 

[merlin]

Here is the features list:
04 05 06 07 08 09 12 21 29 33 39 41 42 44 47 48 49 51 57 58 61 62

 

[BigLebowski]

You do know P25 C4FM is not the same as Yaesu C4FM..

In your features list above you only have Encryption Lite (ARC4/ADP) and Single Key AES. Your P7100 will not do ARC4. If your P7100 has option 37 you'll be able to talk P25 with AES between them but you will need access to Key Loader software and a keyloader cable for the P7100 and either Key Loader or a Motorola KVL3000+ and keyload cable for the XG-100M, as well as a key file if using Key Loader.

Also, just because you can select it in the software doesn't mean the radio will do it. If you have the Wideband Disabled option then you will get an error on the radio when you select a channel with an incompatible option turned on.

 

[merlin]

You want DMR? How bout I trade you an Anytone D578UV for your Harris? It not only has 2m and 440 but also 220!

DMR was not the point. Anything compatible between a few Harris radios in digital.
I like the notion of 220 Mhz, there is a TIII system I would like to eavesdrop.

 

[BMDaug]

Here is the features list:
04 05 06 07 08 09 12 21 29 33 39 41 42 44 47 48 49 51 57 58 61 62

So you can do P25C, Phase I & II, as well as ProVoice, but no 37 AES or even 14 DES. I think 62 is single key AES, so if you have 37 on your P7100, you could use AES between them with applicable commercial license.

-B