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I designed the XL-400. AMA.
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Great radio but why is it $14,000? That is just ridiculous pricing.
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No Clue, probably the NFC, LTE, and 5G models drive that cost. I worked for the design house that did this marvel, not for Harris, so I don't have insight to much past the mechanical decision making. I will try to answer it as best as possible.
I think the thing to remember is that this is exclusively NFPA rated. As of the last time I checked, it's still the only one; my assessment would be that they want to make money on that until they can't.
I read in another thread that Motorola was getting a sleeve for their radio, but I'm skeptical of that set up. We did an assessment on that idea and decided to go a different direction due to overheating. Maybe Motorola solved the issue, but from the analysis we did, it will get hotter and hotter in the radio and heat exfiltration will be an issue.
I call BS
If it lives up to its marketing, the durability would far surpass any of the military radios that I dealt with over my 20 years.
$14k for a portable... what a time to be alive...
I've used the xl400, it's nice. Big, but nice. You can get them for less than $14k also.
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People say the NEXT is absurd. $14 grand for a portable radio. Many departments have boot drives to fund buying used analog radios off Ebay/GovDeals.
Yep, a time to be a live for use.
Is Harris planning on designing and producing a NEXT competitor? The XL-400 is a neat radio but have seen bugs in the XL Line with random reboots and lag on the scan lists.
A brand new HT1000 in the day was like what $8-900 compared to the 10k+ prices now? Most first responders ive chatted about their radios with couldn't care less if their radio still looked like a HT1000 with no screen and three side buttons.
A brand new HT1000 in the day was like what $8-900 compared to the 10k+ prices now? Most first responders ive chatted about their radios with couldn't care less if their radio still looked like a HT1000 with no screen and three side buttons.
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Just think if you could put that 10-14k into a integrated SCBA radio like it should be. Not some brick slung underneath your turnout coat with the antenna pressed up against your body. Then they ***** about coverage like it isn't difficult enough inside structures.
Considering that a "vanilla" NEXT radio is nearly $10k (not counting the ongoing mandatory subscription costs).. I can't wait to see what their "NFPA" radio is going to run you...
I certainly hope not... the NEXT is loaded with a bunch of cute features though. However, between the cloud-based, LTE/Wi-Fi-only programming and requiring a touchscreen to do anything beyond basic functions... it's not something I would be inclined to put in the hands of Public-Safety. I keep meaning to take my demo into the shower with me to see how responsive that touchscreen is when it's underwater.
Exactly...
CPS works just fine on the APX NEXT.
Does it? My sales rep has continuously told me that the only way to program the thing was through their "cloud". I was also told that they were "working on" a direct-connect solution but I never received an update.
Absolutely does.
As of a recent APX CPS version, now it does.
That’s what is nice about the XL200 compared to the NEXT. You get the LTE functions, eg with BeON, but in a regular radio form factor and not a touchscreen with phone like boot up times. Does the 400 have an LTE version?
I’m pretty sure my smartphone boots up quicker.
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All part of the "control". There is a method to their madness!
Boot time on the demo NEXT I saw was 22 seconds, and yea APX CPS R27 works on programming the NEXT, your Moto sales rep is Full of Excrement! (shouldn't be surprised by that one).
and YES! the BeON LTE functions of the XL-200 package with a standard size LMR portable is awesome. The XL-400P does have LTE as an option on the features. Real nitpicky here but I cannot stand that god damned rubber POS whatever on the side of the radio that says XL-200, its so stupid looking and feels like it's gonna peel off any day now.
and YES! the BeON LTE functions of the XL-200 package with a standard size LMR portable is awesome. The XL-400P does have LTE as an option on the features. Real nitpicky here but I cannot stand that god damned rubber POS whatever on the side of the radio that says XL-200, its so stupid looking and feels like it's gonna peel off any day now.
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