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XTL/APX remote mount cable pinout

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Looking to have a remote Control head go from an office with a 66 block to a bay where the other side of the cable is and another 66 block. It's a short distance but I only want to punch down the minimum so been trying to find the
HKN6168/HKN6169/HKN6170 Pinouts so far I've had no luck, I can find the GACI (red) pinout, but I am assuming it's different from the CAN Connector (blue)? Any help is appreciated.
 

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You cant do what you want to do. EIther run the standard cable or buy a consolette and do it with remotes.
Can't do it with the standard cable, conduit has not enough room and can't punch a hole. Wasn't my idea, could you educate me why this won't work?
 

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The cable is for the J300 connector. That connector pass's audio, power and data. The cable is built from stranded wire so punching down to a block would not last long. Other issue is with data and power and ground on a block if anyone were to short pins your gonna blow up the radio and or the head. The connector fits in a 3/4" piece of conduit so just run a new conduit or drill a hole to install it properly.
 

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The cable is for the J300 connector. That connector pass's audio, power and data. The cable is built from stranded wire so punching down to a block would not last long. Other issue is with data and power and ground on a block if anyone were to short pins your gonna blow up the radio and or the head. The connector fits in a 3/4" piece of conduit so just run a new conduit or drill a hole to install it properly.
Appreciate the input, we'll have to go with a new radio then (Harris XL200m) that does the connection between radio body and remote head via CAT6. Like I said there's a lot of variables here that prevents anything but using the existing conduit and wires.
 

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Any radio cable will have data, power and ground even if it uses a CAT6 for the connection between. None are designed to use the way you want to use it. If you go that route you may find issues in the future with operations. If its that critical I'd just run a dash mount and run the antenna cable thru the conduit. Much cleaner at that point.
 

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Any radio cable will have data, power and ground even if it uses a CAT6 for the connection between. None are designed to use the way you want to use it. If you go that route you may find issues in the future with operations. If its that critical I'd just run a dash mount and run the antenna cable thru the conduit. Much cleaner at that point.

The XL-200M uses standard RJ-45/Ethernet between head and deck.
The head still requires a separate 12 volt feed.

Would be easy enough to make an Ethernet cord out of solid copper 4 pair 24 ga wire. That'll punch down just fine on 66 blocks. Since it is Ethernet you'll have the 90 meter rule in place if you want it to work correctly.

A local 12 volt supply for the head would solve the power issue.
 

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"Dash mount"? I am guessing you're talking about a standalone mobile radio?
Yes, a dash-mount is Motorola parlance for a radio in which the control head is mounted on the chassis of the radio, and is typically mounted in a dash/console. Some models have the ability for a kit to convert them to remote mount (which separates the two, I believe you have that already), and some don't.
 

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The XL-200M uses standard RJ-45/Ethernet between head and deck.
The head still requires a separate 12 volt feed.

Would be easy enough to make an Ethernet cord out of solid copper 4 pair 24 ga wire. That'll punch down just fine on 66 blocks. Since it is Ethernet you'll have the 90 meter rule in place if you want it to work correctly.

A local 12 volt supply for the head would solve the power issue.
Thank you. I am tracking the the XL200M and it's remote capabilities and requirements, running 18 at the moment. Was just hoping there was a way to do this with with the APX 4500 J300 port as we have one to use and two Remote Mount control heads.
 

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Not a big deal to punch all that down. Just leave a row or two between any power and other wires and I've seen little insulated condoms that go over punch down pins that will provide reasonable safety for hot wires. I would consider going from the stock cable to crimped or soldered lugs then to a barrier strip right near the radio and control head, then barrier strip to punchdown using CAT5 or similar cable. Or you could just go barrier strip to barrier strip and your done. Using barrier strip would also allow a more appropriate cable or several types mixing coax where needed and shielded or unshielded where needed.

I've worked on jobs relocating huge satellite uplink dishes 3,000mi away where we had to draw our own schematics at the original site, cut all cables then reinstall everything at the new site where the control equipment was further away and I had to splice all cables. Hundreds of them, lots of coax, lots of control cables, some 50 pair. Anything can be done.

Here is a 50 pair cable with various power and signal on the same cable and using this type of connection strip is plenty safe for power.

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Here are just a few of the re-used cables that I had to install and splice.

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Here are some of the racks of junk I had to install, splice and wire up and the finished antenna that were all transferred from another site. If I can do all this in a month you should be able to splice a radio control head in a couple of hours.

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Any radio cable will have data, power and ground even if it uses a CAT6 for the connection between. None are designed to use the way you want to use it. If you go that route you may find issues in the future with operations. If its that critical I'd just run a dash mount and run the antenna cable thru the conduit. Much cleaner at that point.
 
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Not a big deal to punch all that down. Just leave a row or two between any power and other wires and I've seen little insulated condoms that go over punch down pins that will provide reasonable safety for hot wires.


I always used these. Color was dependent on the type of circuit.
 
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