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Is it possible to extract the sytem ids from a radio itself....Maybe with a hex editor ?

Let me say this again, as it has been brought up many times on here. The system ID can only be seen with the radio software if you have the systems key while reading the radio with the Motorola radio software. My guess is your trying to program the radio onto a trunking system.

No radio systems manager will pass out the radio systems key file to anyone but their radio system service people.

If you have to ask about this, your doing something you shouldn't be. If you have to ask, then we have to assume that your not an authorized user on the system.

Yell, scream or what ever, these are the facts.
 

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The system ID can only be seen with the radio software if you have the systems key while reading the radio with the Motorola radio software. My guess is your trying to program the radio onto a trunking system.
Not really. You can VIEW the system ID (and individual radio ID) without a system key. Many of the trunked systems in the RR database display the system ID. You just can't touch anything system-related in CPS without a valid system key file.
 

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You can read it all day long without a key but you won't be able to change anything. Yes, you can see the system IDs.
 

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Jim, take a breath mate...i dont know you think you are ranting a raving like that, but i did ask a simple question....if ur not going to answer the question dont bother answering...dont want to know about ur tantrums on here thanks. These forums are for people that want to learn new things from others.
 
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Thanks to the rest of the guys for a answering my simple question...was just wondering as i have a access to a radio that does have the system keys in it, was just wondering if u could get em out...or just read em. Just thought that the hex editor could see em , thats all.
 
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Thanks to the rest of the guys for a answering my simple question...was just wondering as i have a access to a radio that does have the system keys in it, was just wondering if u could get em out...or just read em. Just thought that the hex editor could see em , thats all.
Actually the programming key is not in the radio, it is in the motorola programming software if you have it.
 

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Yep yep, i do have it..i can clone a non trunking system fine but i guess its a little more complicated with the trunking systems...hmmm but i think im getting confused with system ids and sytem keys now. Also know that u can load the keys via a Key loader, so they must be in there somewhere ?
 
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The system key isn't in the radio, it's a file that must be on the computer. You can't extract it from the radio.
 

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Thanks to the rest of the guys for a answering my simple question...was just wondering as i have a access to a radio that does have the system keys in it, was just wondering if u could get em out...or just read em. Just thought that the hex editor could see em , thats all.
Let me calibrate you: the "system key" is not "in" the source radio. The system key is a file that the CPS looks to see stored in a given location your hard drive. If it is there on your machine, the CPS takes that as permission for you to access and edit trunked system parameters. If not, the CPS denies you such access. The system key file contains no data (just 31 bytes of code) and is not written to the radio.

Sorry; someone beat me to it.
 

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Right, and to clarify it doesn't render the system ID information or other trunked parameters non visible. They are just grayed out and can't be edited unless you have the system key to enable it.
 
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