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GSutton2686

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It would have been better if the tech would have performed a "TEST" first and then performed an "Align/TEST". That would have shown you how it looked before if Re-Aligned everything.
Oh well, you now have a perfectly aligned radio.
 

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I guess I don't understand what you're saying. If I'm going to ship it half way across the county I want it aligned. Or are you taking about the alignment before they did any thing to it?
 

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I guess I don't understand what you're saying. If I'm going to ship it half way across the county I want it aligned. Or are you taking about the alignment before they did any thing to it?

Aeroflex allows you to:
1) Just test the radio without making any permanent adjustments.
or
2) Test and align in which the test set will test then align (fix) any issues it finds.

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Something that I left out of from further updates to my original post around 10 years ago after I did the first non-affiliate trunk post on batlabs was that I forgot to update some findings discovered in reference to setting CONVERSATION TYPE in the TRUNKING PERSONALITY ADVANCED TAB.

When I ran my first tests on two 700/800 systems, TEMPE AZ and Arizona STATE UNIVERSITY back in the mid to early 2000 time frame, I experienced similar issues as yours and I was missing a fair amount of the comms even after alignment on 2 of my 3920's.

One thing that I did was to make 3 duplicate trunk personalities but ONE had the CONVERSATION TYPE set for PTT-ID, the 2nd set for TRANSMISSION and the 3rd for MESSAGE even though my radio didn't have a transmitter chain in it, the CONVERSATION TYPE, as I recall, had an effect on the receive end..

As I remember one of these personalities CONVERSATION TYPES resolved my issue but being that this was over 10 years ago in my case I don't remember which of the 3 CONVERSATION TYPES resolved it but it's worth a try to make 3 duplicate trunk personalities set to the 3 different CONVERSATION TYPES and test each one.
 

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Aeroflex allows you to:
1) Just test the radio without making any permanent adjustments.
or
2) Test and align in which the test set will test then align (fix) any issues it finds.

I thought he was implying that I just have it tested and not aligned. If I'm going to spend $30 on shipping alone not including the $25 alignment fee, I going to it it done right. Is there a chance that he aligned it then have me the results of a test after he had done it?

Marshall KE4ZNR

I thought he was implying that I just have it tested and not aligned. If I'm going to spend $30 on shipping alone not including the $25 alignment fee, I going to it it done right. Is there a chance that he aligned it then have me the results of a test after he had done it?

Something that I left out of from further updates to my original post around 10 years ago after I did the first non-affiliate trunk post on batlabs was that I forgot to update some findings discovered in reference to setting CONVERSATION TYPE in the TRUNKING PERSONALITY ADVANCED TAB.

When I ran my first tests on two 700/800 systems, TEMPE AZ and Arizona STATE UNIVERSITY back in the mid to early 2000 time frame, I experienced similar issues as yours and I was missing a fair amount of the comms even after alignment on 2 of my 3920's.

One thing that I did was to make 3 duplicate trunk personalities but ONE had the CONVERSATION TYPE set for PTT-ID, the 2nd set for TRANSMISSION and the 3rd for MESSAGE even though my radio didn't have a transmitter chain in it, the CONVERSATION TYPE, as I recall, had an effect on the receive end..

As I remember one of these personalities CONVERSATION TYPES resolved my issue but being that this was over 10 years ago in my case I don't remember which of the 3 CONVERSATION TYPES resolved it but it's worth a try to make 3 duplicate trunk personalities set to the 3 different CONVERSATION TYPES and test each one.

I'll have try that! It will be back here tomorrow.
 

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And I quoted that wrong! I didn't mean to add "I thought he was implying that I just have it tested and not aligned. If I'm going to spend $30 on shipping alone not including the $25 alignment fee, I going to it it done right. Is there a chance that he aligned it then have me the results of a test after he had done it?" to KE4ZNR's post
 

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Does the Aeroflex not give the tested values prior to alignment? R8000's will do that...
If configured properly the 3920B will indeed give pre-alignment and post alignment values. I know others may not like the 3920 but we have found that when properly used in conjunction with DiagnostX they can solve a lot of non programming related subscriber issues.
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If configured properly the 3920B will indeed give pre-alignment and post alignment values. I know others may not like the 3920 but we have found that when properly used in conjunction with DiagnostX they can solve a lot of non programming related subscriber issues.
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Like most test equipment, the 3920 is only as good as the person that set it up. I know one agency locally that has 3 of them and they use them on daily basis...but they aren't set up properly.

And the XBox is only a good tool when you actually look at the reports and understand what they are telling you.
 

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Like most test equipment, the 3920 is only as good as the person that set it up. I know one agency locally that has 3 of them and they use them on daily basis...but they aren't set up properly.

And the XBox is only a good tool when you actually look at the reports and understand what they are telling you.
True on all of the above.
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If configured properly the 3920B will indeed give pre-alignment and post alignment values. I know others may not like the 3920 but we have found that when properly used in conjunction with DiagnostX they can solve a lot of non programming related subscriber issues.
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R8000 and R8100 just give you a nice txt doc with the pre and post values. No configuration to it. Just setup auto tune for the make and model and it does the rest for you.


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Something that I left out of from further updates to my original post around 10 years ago after I did the first non-affiliate trunk post on batlabs was that I forgot to update some findings discovered in reference to setting CONVERSATION TYPE in the TRUNKING PERSONALITY ADVANCED TAB.

When I ran my first tests on two 700/800 systems, TEMPE AZ and Arizona STATE UNIVERSITY back in the mid to early 2000 time frame, I experienced similar issues as yours and I was missing a fair amount of the comms even after alignment on 2 of my 3920's.

One thing that I did was to make 3 duplicate trunk personalities but ONE had the CONVERSATION TYPE set for PTT-ID, the 2nd set for TRANSMISSION and the 3rd for MESSAGE even though my radio didn't have a transmitter chain in it, the CONVERSATION TYPE, as I recall, had an effect on the receive end..

As I remember one of these personalities CONVERSATION TYPES resolved my issue but being that this was over 10 years ago in my case I don't remember which of the 3 CONVERSATION TYPES resolved it but it's worth a try to make 3 duplicate trunk personalities set to the 3 different CONVERSATION TYPES and test each one.

MESSAGE for "Conversation Type" is the setting that worked for me. I fought a similar symptom back in the day also and that is what fixed it.
 

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WHY?!?! So the radio was delivered today (finally). I programmed the original Codeplug, AND IT F'ING WORKED! I'm not talking a little better, I mean it works better than the subscriber radio! I can take the radio any where in the house and it's just singing away.

I'll have to see if it continues to work but I think it's fixed this time. I'll report back tomorrow if it's still working.

I didn't change the "Conversation type", it was the alignment. I'll post videos maybe tomorrow of before and after.

Until then THANK YOU to everyone who helped out!
 

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The only thing I can think of now is that the small coax cable inside the radio may be loose. I had one that drove me nuts for a while. It would align correctly and would fail when in the field. Once I repaired that cable, all was well.
 

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I've been listening for about an hour and it's worked flawlessly. The subscriber radio is cutting out quite a bit and my is running perfect!
 
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