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01-29-2008, 09:48 AM
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Is FCC Mandating 700 MHz?
I currently manage a 911 dispatch center for a small police dept in MO. This morning our Police Chief told me he received a letter from a communications company out of St. Charles, MO which stated the FCC was making it mandatory for all public safety agencies to go 700 MHz by a certain time frame. Does anyone here know if this is true or not? I wasn't aware of any such mandate. I knew the FCC will require narrowbanding of the VHF spectrum by 2013, but I haven't heard anything concerning 700 MHz.
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01-29-2008, 10:55 AM
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The communications company is trying to sell you something. There is no such mandate.
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01-29-2008, 12:54 PM
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Wound be intersting to know what time frame they say as here in Mi, the MPSCS project which is slated to be done sometime around the end of the year is stepping down by 15 from the 86x area to the 85x mhz area but 700 mhz is not even on the horizen yet. I would contact someone at the FCC to see what the status is and advise the FCC on that letter. They might want a copy of it.
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01-29-2008, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveNF2G
The communications company is trying to sell you something. There is no such mandate.
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I figured as much. Thanks for the clarification. |
01-29-2008, 09:21 PM
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... in Mi, the MPSCS project ... is stepping down by 15 from the 86x area to the 85x mhz area ...
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That is the second step in the re-banding process. The next step is the "gotcha" step where the band plan changes. If it is a Motorola system, older scanners will not be able to trunk track the system and newer scanners will need to be modified. Get ready for chaos. |
01-30-2008, 02:09 PM
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here is the 1st step
http://www.800ta.org/content/documen...on_process.asp and you will see a FCC notice.
This is the 15mhz step down for the problem with sprint/nextel |
01-31-2008, 12:30 PM
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And remember, the 700MHz band has NOTHING to do with rebanding.
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01-31-2008, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DickH
The communications company is trying to sell you something. There is no such mandate.
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Originally Posted by W4KRR
And remember, the 700MHz band has NOTHING to do with rebanding.
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Absolutley true - nothing but scams, or so  .
The 700 MHz band does not involve the reband process - only 800 MHz. You are okay.
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01-31-2008, 12:58 PM
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The FCC hasn't done much to screw up the 700 MHz band yet, so it is far too early for them to mandate anything. Give them time.
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01-31-2008, 01:45 PM
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Do a google news search on "700 MHZ Auction". That will provide some insight on what is currently happenning. What is the next step after that? No one knows for certain.
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Originally Posted by PVPD730
I currently manage a 911 dispatch center for a small police dept in MO. This morning our Police Chief told me he received a letter from a communications company out of St. Charles, MO which stated the FCC was making it mandatory for all public safety agencies to go 700 MHz by a certain time frame. Does anyone here know if this is true or not? I wasn't aware of any such mandate. I knew the FCC will require narrowbanding of the VHF spectrum by 2013, but I haven't heard anything concerning 700 MHz.
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02-03-2008, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DickH
That is the second step in the re-banding process. The next step is the "gotcha" step where the band plan changes. If it is a Motorola system, older scanners will not be able to trunk track the system and newer scanners will need to be modified. Get ready for chaos.
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Um....my system is COMPLETELY done with rebanding, and our scanners work just fine. Just had to program in new Control Channels, and all is well. |
02-03-2008, 06:53 PM
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Um....my system is COMPLETELY done with rebanding, and our scanners work just fine. Just had to program in new Control Channels, and all is well.
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What system exactly is this?
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02-03-2008, 07:39 PM
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What system exactly is this?
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El Paso County, Colorado.
Also the Colorado Statewide system is almost done rebanding (they're doing the second touch right now), and again, no problems with any existing scanners tracking the system. |
02-03-2008, 08:25 PM
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El Paso County, Colorado.
Also the Colorado Statewide system is almost done rebanding (they're doing the second touch right now), and again, no problems with any existing scanners tracking the system.
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Interesting. All you did was to program the new control channels, and the scanner tracks the system with no problems? This seems to be contrary to what most people are saying would happen after rebanding. Let's see what happens when other systems get rebanded.
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02-03-2008, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by W4KRR
Interesting. All you did was to program the new control channels, and the scanner tracks the system with no problems? This seems to be contrary to what most people are saying would happen after rebanding. Let's see what happens when other systems get rebanded.
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Absolutely. Any CC's we had that were above 860mhz were dropped below there (most by 15mhz. A few that were right at 860.XXX were just dropped 1 or 2 mhz). The new CC's were programmed into the scanners, and everything works as before.
The state of Colorado's DTRS system is undergoing re-banding with most of the sites already rebanded and almost every radio on the statewide system will be touched in the next 60days. DTRS sites that have been re-banded are also being tracked just fine.
If you need further, check the database for the new freqs, and then monitor my feed (below). It's a Pro-96 scanning the re-banded El Paso County system.
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02-03-2008, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by firescannerbob
Absolutely. Any CC's we had that were above 860mhz were dropped below there (most by 15mhz. A few that were right at 860.XXX were just dropped 1 or 2 mhz). The new CC's were programmed into the scanners, and everything works as before.
The state of Colorado's DTRS system is undergoing re-banding with most of the sites already rebanded and almost every radio on the statewide system will be touched in the next 60days. DTRS sites that have been re-banded are also being tracked just fine.
If you need further, check the database for the new freqs, and then monitor my feed (below). It's a Pro-96 scanning the re-banded system El Paso County system.
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All I can say is I hope it's that easy when the local systems here are rebanded! Time will tell.
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02-03-2008, 09:32 PM
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If it is a Project 25 exclusive system (as both the systems mentioned above are) then rebanding is not a problem as frequency data is sent out the data stream. If it is a 3600 or mixed mode system, rebanding will required firmware changes to the radio (or use of custom tables).
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02-03-2008, 11:02 PM
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The FCC hasn't done much to screw up the 700 MHz band yet, so it is far too early for them to mandate anything. Give them time.
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There are only a handful of systems in the country on 700 and yes they are rebanding. Part of the auction going on required all 700 users to stop adding equipment after 8/15/2007. The winner of the auction will be required to pay for the rebanding the same as Nextel. The Colorado State system is included in that rebanding.
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-07-132A1.pdf is the report and order from the FCC mandating rebanding |
02-05-2008, 10:16 AM
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There is no rebanding mandate at 700Mhz. Period.
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02-05-2008, 02:22 PM
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Firescannerbob and MASTRTECH are both correct. The only reason that your scanner would not work in the 800 mhz band after rebanding is if it is not capable of receiving in the 850 mhz range. It is my understanding that the only the only frequencies effected are 865 - 870 mhz. So if a control channel now is 866.6175 it will be 15 mhz lower 851.6125 mhz. So if you subtract 15 mhz from your current control channel you should be in fine shape after rebanding
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