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Old 07-10-2018, 6:41 PM
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But couldn't even a fire chief wanna have a scan delay and a hold / resume button? If a chief is wanting to keep an ear out for all the activity, wouldn't it be nice to stop and hold an a talk group in case something big's hittin' the fan? And to have a scan delay to avoid getting a mixture of unrelated conversations like you're just conventionally scanning?
A fire chief will be using a portable or mobile, not the pager.

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A fire chief will be using a portable or mobile, not the pager.

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I am but a lowly Captain and I use the G5 to monitor concurrent jurisdiction police and fire while my portable sits on the department frequency. Why would the chief take away his ability to immediately be able to transmit on his own channel if he is only monitoring the adjacent jurisdiction's communications?
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Is there any update on the G5 being able to monitor both an 800 P25 system and a VHF conventional at the same time? I would jump at a pager than can handle 800 and VHF, like the G5 can ... if I could listen to both, rather than have to chose one of the other, which make this useless for me. I monitor dispatch of three departments. Two are VHF and one is 800 (simulcast off low band). Having an 800/VHF pager allowing me to carry a single pager would be ideal.
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I appreciate you insight , but do you really think most volunteers have a P25 portable they use in addition to the G5? They do not. If they had a portable, the would not need our device. When the are off listening to an adjacent county, the miss their messages. Passworded programming is for this very reason.
Sure they would need your pager. I carry two pagers, due to departments I am a member of being on different frequency bands. One pager has the second channel monitoring a department that borders two departments I belong to. We share highways, and when they go out on the highway, often one of the other departments goes out as well with mutual aid EMS. I can get a 3 to 5 minute heads up sometimes on what is going to be toned out. I know many volunteers who monitor adjacent departments.

I also have four XTS3000 radios, an XTS2500 and Harris P5100 for the departments I am involved with, since they span VHF, UHF, P25 800 9600 baud Phase I and 800 3600 baud SmartZone with digital voice ... along with a low band MT1000.

But when I am out and about during the day, with my kids, making dinner, working, I have two Minitor V pagers on me rather than n XTS2500 and XTS3000 radio hanging off of me. I know of no volunteer Fire or EMS members that walks into the grocery store, or take a walk in the park with their kids, or go out to dinner, with a P25 portable radio on them. What they have is their pager, or two pagers, so they can be alerted to calls.

If you are unaware of how your client base uses your products, may I suggest doing some further market research?
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:45 PM
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I appreciate you insight , but do you really think most volunteers have a P25 portable they use in addition to the G5? They do not. If they had a portable, the would not need our device. When the are off listening to an adjacent county, the miss their messages. Passworded programming is for this very reason.
Uni1, i just wanted to reply to this comment as well.......... Each city, county, state, etc agency does things different when it comes to communication devices. I'm the Chief of my counties office of the American Red Cross, and I'm also a volunteer firefighter. I use a G5 day to day. But I also use a P25 portable as well. Actually two of them. I have a agency issued Motorola XTS5000 from the Red Cross, and I have a personal owned XTS2500 as well. Both portables have access to our local P25 systems, the UASI (Charlotte NC Regional system), and NC VIPER statewide system. Not only do I use the G5 for Quick Call 2 paging but I also use it to monitor traffic on calls. When we're dispatched on a call there is an OPS (operations) talkgroup assigned to use on scene. If it's an incident where command is established then in addition to that OPS talkgroup being assigned we also use a talkgroup we call COMMAND, which is what the incident commander uses to communicate with our comm center during an incident. In those situations I use one device to monitor dispatch, one to monitor the command talkgroup, and one to monitor the assigned OPS talkgroup.

I really don't see why you'd assume just because someone has a portable radio that they wouldn't have a need for the G5. When it comes to the G5 and the public safety agencies who use them, this is where they get used for their primary purpose, as a pager. A large number of the departments in my county issue their members P25 portables in addition to the pagers they use.
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I appreciate you insight , but do you really think most volunteers have a P25 portable they use in addition to the G5? They do not. If they had a portable, the would not need our device. When the are off listening to an adjacent county, the miss their messages. Passworded programming is for this very reason.
All volunteer EMS personnel on our ASTRO 25 TDMA system are issued a personal dual-band APX 7000 portable. 600+ radios in total. Many are also issued Minitor pagers, because the APX is too cumbersome to carry around all day long.

Every volunteer FD officer on our system also has a personally issued APX 6000 portable. 350+ radios in total. They all carry Minitor pagers as well, because as noted above, no one wants to lug an APX portable around with them.

So, that's nearly 1,000 APX radios, and yet they all carry Motorola pagers as well. Seems to contradict your assertions.
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I am but a lowly Captain and I use the G5 to monitor concurrent jurisdiction police and fire while my portable sits on the department frequency. Why would the chief take away his ability to immediately be able to transmit on his own channel if he is only monitoring the adjacent jurisdiction's communications?
You proved my point; you are using the portable to monitor the more critical comms.

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You proved my point; you are using the portable to monitor the more critical comms.

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You should read the other posts I made, that particular one was a bit sarcastic.
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Old 07-12-2018, 10:29 AM
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Passworded programming is for this very reason.
I didn't catch this until I re-read this today......... Passworded programming is a good idea, but if a G4/5 has different systems programmed, or the pager has multiple zones, having a password protected codeplug isn't going to prevent someone changing zones and listening to other things. Password protected codeplugs just protect the programming in the device, not to prevent someone to accessing other zones/talkgroups in the device.
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I didn't catch this until I re-read this today......... Passworded programming is a good idea, but if a G4/5 has different systems programmed, or the pager has multiple zones, having a password protected codeplug isn't going to prevent someone changing zones and listening to other things. Password protected codeplugs just protect the programming in the device, not to prevent someone to accessing other zones/talkgroups in the device.
I believe he meant to prevent unauthorized expansion in department owned units.
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So, that's nearly 1,000 APX radios, and yet they all carry Motorola pagers as well. Seems to contradict your assertions.
And confirms yet again, that governments don't get a flying f**k about fiscal responsibility when it comes to spending taxpayer money.
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Old 07-13-2018, 2:50 PM
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And confirms yet again, that governments don't get a flying f**k about fiscal responsibility when it comes to spending taxpayer money.
It is well proven that the initial outlay to issue radios to each member is much more fiscally sound than to have pool radios drawn on a shift by shift basis with no accountability when maintenance costs and equipment longevity are factored in. To expect people to carry bulky radios when on call (as opposed to on a call) is not a sound choice from a liability standpoint-insurance rate will probably go up. So you have a few choices:

A. Buy radios for everybody and expect them to carry it-radio gets well taken care of, gives long life and has lower maintenance costs, but since no one wants to lug it around off duty, peopple don't show up at the barn, cellar holes are saved , insurance rates go up and the media keeps asking "where is the fire department?"

B. Issue everyone pagers and have position radios on the apparatus. You get people to show up for the responses, but they may be dealing with a radio where someone taped the antenna over because it was poking them and when confronted, the answer is "I found it like that." The radio is dropped, thrown, used as a hammer and fails at a critical time, possibly endangering the user. I have worked in this system, and no matter how much accountability is attempted, the results are the same.

C. You buy each member a radio and pager. You get better response, both to the station and scene because a much smaller, lighter pager is being worn instead of a large radio being lugged around. The radio is taken care of because the person is responsible for it and can't blame it on someone else. On scene accountability is improved because everyone has a radio, not just the guys who made the station and got the position portables and can hear what is going on, Maintenance costs are reduced by 50% and the radios last years longer than when pool radios were used.

Sometimes fiscal responsibility is spending more in the beginning to keep repair and replacement costs down over time
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And confirms yet again, that governments don't get a flying f**k about fiscal responsibility when it comes to spending taxpayer money.
Actually, what your post confirms is that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, since you can't possibly be familiar with any of the operations I'm speaking about.

You have no idea, for example, that the volunteer FD and EMS members are paged out over conventional analog resources, which require a conventional analog pager. All response and operations take place on the 700 MHz TDMA system, which of course requires the use of the APX portable. Since volunteers are never really "off duty", and are expected to respond to any incident which they're available for, they are issued both devices.

There are paging simulcasts on the trunked system that could technically be monitored with the APX portable, vs the Minitor pager...but again, no one wants to have an APX portable attached to their waist 24/7 while going about everyday life.

I would suggest that you go troll elsewhere.
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Not sure how this thread got to where it is, but the original question has been answered so I'm closing it to avoid further off-topic crap.

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