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Old 07-03-2014, 3:57 AM
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Default BCD436HP vs BCD396XT Ear Phone helps reception

There are a couple of threads about reduced sensitivity of the 436HP vs 396HP at low VHF. I have been one of the posters. But I thought this deserves a new thread. Administrators: Move to correct place if necessary.

I had my headphones on this morning listening to 436HP in office. Usually I just listen with the speaker. For some reason, the 436HP seemed a bit more sensitive. OK, put it away, and brought it home for some testing this evening.
The gist of the other threads, been experiences by several people, is that since the update to ver 1.03.00 on 436HP, that sensitivity has dropped on VHF reception.
For the last couple of hours, I have again been comparing the 396XT vs 436HP on low VHF and weak weather channels about 80 to 100 miles away. As I reported previously, the 436HP does not hear as well as the 536HP. This is across the board with RS Coil antenna, Austin Condor, and Diamond RH77CA on both scanners for comparisons.
However, with each of the above antennas attached, when I put my headphones in jack of 436HP (good set of headphones I use for CW DX), any slight background noise on the 436HP seems to drop to nothing, and the sensitivity for the weak stations on VHF/Wx seems to be more in line with the 396XT. I had to do a couple of double takes, I repeated this with each antenna and the headphones (cord length about 4 feet) and each time the sensitivity on 436HP seems to pops up a few dB.
Trying the same thing with the 396XT, no difference with headphones in or out. Same good sensitivity.
But repeatedly, when could not hear distant Wx stations on 436HP without headphones, plug the headphones in, and signals pop up to about same level on 396XT.
Before someone says, well you hear better with the headphones, maybe true, but I have been around radio for 52 years, and I tell you, plugging the headphones drops any noise on the 436HP and seems to improve this lower sensitivity issue that we have discussed since ver 1.03.00
Can someone else with similar issue confirm this with a "plug in headphone (at least 3 or 4 foot cord) test." If this is true, wonder why it is so. But if it is true, it may also be good news.
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Old 07-03-2014, 4:29 AM
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Without knowing the internal design of the 436 audio circuit(s) I am only guessing here; it might be that the headphone cord is providing an improved ground plane for the antenna.

You don't specify the frequency but mention "low VHF" which I take to mean 30MHz to 50MHz. That band is difficult to receive with handhelds and short portable antennas with limited ground planes. An antenna in that range needs to be several feet long for a quarter wave and the ground plane should be comparable to that. Of course that's nearly impossible for portables. But adding any extra length of wire to the ground plane of the radio will help.

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Get a long length of wire (at least as long as your headphone cord) and strip off enough insulation at one end to wrap tightly around the ground of the antenna connector. Extend out the wire (with the antenna connected as best possible so that the radial wire can be accommodated) away from the radio at various angles and see how the reception changes relative to how it is with no radial. It should improve with the radial wire especially on low band.

Why is the 396 good without the headphones and has no noticeable difference when the headphones are plugged in versus what you experience with the 436 I don't know for sure. My guess is that the headphone circuit is slightly different and the radio may have more internal metal in the case or internal shielding which makes it appear as a better ground plane but I'm really grasping at straws here without more info.

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Mike,
Actually, these frequencies are high VHF around 155 Mhz with a lot of the older analogue stations still here in LA County. But what you say makes good sense, and I will give that a try in next day or two.
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Here is a link for making a handheld counterpoise.

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Just preliminary testing, but using the mono earphone with the 436 does seem to help with reception. Using RH77 antenna. Will keep on checking at different locations and with other antennas. No change in reception using the 386xt with the same antenna. I'm on VHF High and UHF "T" band.

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If you are saying that the earphones improve the sensitivity of the scanner, I would have to disagree. Earphones have always been the most sensitive reproducers of audio, plus they shut out room noise. On the other hand each headphone (except maybe high dollar audiophile headphones) has its own audio response curve. You might have one that reproduces the voice mid range well and attenuates the h.f. noise. One possibility you might consider is to use an adjustable audio filter, that would let you set the range of audio frequencies that come out the speaker. One example can be found here:

SCAF-1 active audio low pass filter by Idiom Press

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This is interesting I will try to test tomorrow if I dont get to many Honeydo's - very interesting indeed!
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If you are saying that the earphones improve the sensitivity of the scanner, I would have to disagree.
When using a ducky-style antenna, the headphone cord can act as a partial ground plane for the antenna, which can (depending on the frequency, the cord length, and its position) increase the sensitivity/efficiency of the antenna.
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Hi,
I too, have a better 136-174MHz analog FM VHF rx experience with headphones on, and yes, the rx experience equals the BCD396XT when used this way.
It tends to confirm that the 436 lacks a good ground plane to create the other half of the (rubber duck) antenna, the "ground" part of the headphones then creating this "virtual"'part of the antenna system.

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On my 436 I can notice a difference, my hearing is not great & I have tinnitus (constant ringing in ears), but I thought there was a difference in the... "cleanliness" of the voice. If that's what you mean. I dont have a 396, so I cannot compare. The best audio comes from Trident TRX 100 XLT portable & my U/BC780XLT base. The BCD436HP is pretty darn good tho.
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Default BCD436HP vs BCD396XT Ear Phone helps reception

Hi,
Yes with earphones the audio is quite good, quality-wise if I can say.

But the audio quality was not my main point when I was referring to the difference noticed when using earphones: I was pointing at the received signal strength, which is definitely improved when connecting earphones to the 436.

I will experiment with a "tail" antenna counterpoise connected to the gnd side of the antenna connector; in theory it should improve the reception the same way the earphone does, by creating the antenna "other half".

It is quite surprising that with the '1990 brick size format of this 2014 portable radio, we have to resort to creating an improved ground plane for the rubber duck antenna!! Radios 1/3 the size of this monster succeed much better at receiving analog FM 146-174 MHz VHF... Theoretically it should be the inverse: a radio that size should put to shame a ton of other portables... Go figure...

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Last edited by lamarrsy; 08-04-2014 at 4:26 PM.. Reason: wanted to add a comment about the size of the radio vs its rx "ground plane"
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Hi,
Just to let everyone know that with a "rat tail" of 18" connected to the ring of the antenna connector, I have excellent analog VHF reception, almost as good as 100$ analog scanner... Now for the aesthetic of a 700$ radio with 18" of thin cable dangling on its side, that's another story.... :-(
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