Trunking "i" ID's?

325xia · #1 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 03:04 AM

I receive on my Motorola Trunking Systems some "i*****", (small "i" preceding the ID), and hear phone conversations. What is this unique ID?

Thanks

dracer777 · #2 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 03:18 AM

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You must be in Search mode? I believe anything with an "i" is an "i-talk" transmission, I think it is a private transmission. Basically a hidden talk group for private transmissions.

I know that the info I gave above is probably very obscured, so by all means correct me, those who know more.

DaveIN · #3 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 08:48 AM

You got it dracer. Here is the Wiki entry: I-Call - The RadioReference Wiki

325xia · #4 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 10:00 AM

Ok. Thanks. And Yes, I'm in ID Search Mode.

325xia · #5 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 10:03 AM

^^So, I'm assuming it's against the Law to listen to such conversations?

AlabamaRS · #6 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 325xia

^^So, I'm assuming it's against the Law to listen to such conversations?

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No why would it be illegal??. Nothing is illegal unless its encrypted

325xia · #7 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 10:23 AM

Nothing is illegal unless it's encrypted? Wrong. Cellular Phone Conversations are not Encrypted. And it's against the law to listen to them. That's why you can't legally listen to them on modern scanners, (My RS Pro-2000 is an exception).

From Scanner World: "It is illegal to intercept cordless phone communications (most cordless phones today are spread spectrum and cannot be monitored anyway. It's also illegal to monitor cellular phone conversations and for the last 10+ years the major scanner manufacturers, by federal law, have not produced a scanner capable of monitoring the cell phone band. At any rate, because 99.9% of all cell phone calls now are CDMA, GSM and other highly advanced types of digital (not APCO-25 digital), cell phone calls couldn't be intercepted anyway."

DaveIN · #8 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 10:37 AM

Again in the on the front page of the Wiki you will find the legal information link: Mobile Scanner & RADAR Detector Laws In The U.S.

Additionally Dave, NF2G is a good source on the subject of federal communication law.

325xia · #9 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 10:40 AM

^^ Question Answered. So, it IS against the law to listen to these "i" EDACS. That's all I need to know. Thanks

AlabamaRS · #10 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 325xia

^^ Question Answered. So, it IS against the law to listen to these "i" EDACS. That's all I need to know. Thanks

NO its NOT illegal I listen to them on my Pro197 all the time, on The local EDACS System here, just keep your mouth shut on whatever you may hear.. that Is use COMMON sense.
Paul

325xia · #11 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 11:10 AM

Wrong again. It is illegal. Just because one does not "get caught" doing it, does not make it legal.

dracer777 · #12 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 11:47 AM

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I do not believe it is illegal, I'm not a lawyer, however, the comms are not "private" only a "channel" that is there for 2-way comms. Like if all of your friends are on a single FMRS radio channel, and you want to tell your friend something without broadcasting it to them, you tell you friend to switch to an adjacent channel. Now is it illegal for someone to monitor those comms? No. They are easily accessible to the public and are not covered under the "you can't listen to phones" law.

325xia · #13 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 12:19 PM

I think "Land Line" Phone conversations are under the expectation that they are private amongst the invited parties. However, Wireless Phone Conversations, (if divulged to the calling party(ies), may have the understanding that their conversations could be compromised. But, that doesn't make it "Legal" for one to Monitor these conversations.

dracer777 · #14 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 12:55 PM

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True, but phone conversations are specifically covered under the law, not a vague law prohibiting monitoring of wireless comms. So the two cannot be compared, once again in my opinion.

AlabamaRS · #15 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 325xia

Wrong again. It is illegal. Just because one does not "get caught" doing it, does not make it legal.

IF it was illegal, why has GRE been making the scanner for 3 years now & Uniden & RS are all still making these radios and not been sued or what not??. You asked the Question & do not like the answer so listen or not listen is up to you ... That' my last comment
Have a nice day.

325xia · #16 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AlabamaRS

IF it was illegal, why has GRE been making the scanner for 3 years now & Uniden & RS are all still making these radios and not been sued or what not??. You asked the Question & do not like the answer so listen or not listen is up to you ... That' my last comment
Have a nice day.

You make no sense. That is why. It has nothing to do with whether or not I like the answer.

wv_mountaineer · #17 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 05:38 PM

Back to the real question please....... I go buy the same location all of the time and I get get this same type of thing. It comes up "ixxxx" Not to sure of the number cause I just reach up and lock it out as I am driving by. But if I don't lock it out it lasts for about 2 miles. I mean all I get is squelch but it is annoying so I just got use to getting rid of it when it happens. Not to sure what or where it comes from since there is nothing around the area. Going to have to pay attention on sunday as I drive by and get the TGID.
This is in Indiana on the Safe-T system.

IAFIREBUFF · #18 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 06:01 PM

Around here on our EDACS system they call them "individual" cahnnels.

jclarkr6 · #19 (**permalink**) 10-24-2009, 01:56 PM

The way that I understand it, it is perfectly legal to monitor I-Calls. An I-Call is NOT a phone conversation, it is simply a way for two radio users to communicate without using the main talkgroups on a system. This is made clear in the I-Call Wiki Article when it states that I-Calls are: "Uniden's name for an individual call between two radios or between a radio and a console operator on a Motorola or EDACS trunked radio system." (RadioReference.com, 2009). Monitoring an I-Call is just like monitoring any other non-encrypted and non-phone related transmission. I-Calls clearly do not fall into the category of being illegal, since they are clearly not encrypted nor are they phone transmissions that use the off-limits phone band. I am not an attorney, but I do have an A.A.S. in Legal Studies.

KE4ZNR · #20 (**permalink**) 10-24-2009, 02:09 PM

What you are seeing is the individual Radio ID's (or RIDs) involved in the I-Call/Private Call.
Think of the RID as caller ID for a Trunked Radio System. Every Radio on the system has a unique RID. When you see i37564 that is RID or Radio System User 737564. When a Trunked Radio System user initiates an I-Call he/she dials the RID of the Radio they want to talk to. Again consider it like a phone number in a way. So if my RID is 736224 and I want to call 737564 I dial that number into my Radio. The Uniden Scanners will show Both RIDs involved in the I-Call or in the case of Large Smartzone systems you might only see one of the 2 RIDs. To help prevent confusion Over what is a RID and what is a regular talkgroup Uniden puts the "i" at the beginning of the RIDs instead of the "7". Of course I-Calls don't have to be just one user talking to another. An I-Call can be a Trunked Radio user dialing into a phone patch as well.
Not every system enables ICall usage, and some systems encrypt ICalls. Each system handle ICalls differently.
Marshall KE4ZNR