996XT Display

GoNavy · #1 (**permalink**) 10-31-2009, 10:19 AM

Just got a 996XT and new to scanning. For some reason on just the one trunked system Jacsonville Arkansas PD, one a mot custom/reband and the other a mot 800mhz standard type II when I am scanning these two systems on the third line of the display one will read out the freq the other will display NFM, but yesterday they both displayed the freq, which is what I want, I could care less what the MOD type is, why is the NFM keep popping up

Also wanted to add, it is also displaying a freq that is not even in the freq table for either system. Both system show 6 freq in their tables (same freq) with the last being 853.9500, but I see 853.9625 every once in a while, where is that coming from.

AlabamaRS · #2 (**permalink**) 10-31-2009, 10:33 AM

shouldn't , will not display anything such as N/Fm , when trunking check your programming.

GoNavy · #3 (**permalink**) 10-31-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by AlabamaRS

shouldn't , will not display anything such as N/Fm , when trunking check your programming.

I downloaded it from RR, only thing I did to it was put GQK. I also noticed it is the standard type system that is giving me the NFM and the extra freq not in the freq table. Could that be causing it to display NFM maybe because the freq is not listed. If it is not listed how is it showing up, very confusing....lol

AlabamaRS · #4 (**permalink**) 10-31-2009, 10:47 AM

I'm Not familiar with Uniden radios, but My thoughts is the software, what program are you using. May want to zip & post the file so other can maybe trouble shoot it & give some tips . also give the URl to the system, and se maybe see if they have rebanded. if so You may need the laest firmware updates & or set a custom band plan

Paul

GoNavy · #5 (**permalink**) 10-31-2009, 10:58 AM

Using this one
City of Jacksonville Trunking System, Jacksonville, Arkansas - Scanner Frequencies

and this one
Jacksonville Public Safety System Trunking System, Jacksonville, Arkansas - Scanner Frequencies

together both are set to QK 1 so I can scan them together or turn them off together. They are the same because I think my area is in the middle of a change over so both systems are used. The second one seems to be the one coming up with the NFM and the new freq of 853.9625, which is in neither of the freq plans.

GoNavy · #6 (**permalink**) 10-31-2009, 05:09 PM

Nobody has a clue on this, maybe Upman knows, anyone know how to get a hold of him...surely he knows..I mean he works for Uniden

h8tdigitalradio · #7 (**permalink**) 10-31-2009, 05:20 PM

Hello,

From what you described, I believe you want DISPLAY MODE 2. Press HOLD→FUNCTION→DISP(6) to toggle display modes. The programmed Bandplan is what the scanner follows. Is any voice heard on the frequencies not programmed?

HTHs

73

Dave AKA The Tripzter

GoNavy · #8 (**permalink**) 10-31-2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by h8tdigitalradio

Hello,

From what you described, I believe you want DISPLAY MODE 2. Press HOLD→FUNCTION→DISP(6) to toggle display modes. The programmed Bandplan is what the scanner follows. Is any voice heard on the frequencies not programmed?

HTHs

73

Dave AKA The Tripzter

Yep knew about the modes have it on mode 2 now, but have tried all three, does the same thing. Is it possible to be stuck on a mode for that freq only.

Don't know if that freq is used or not, the tgid is displayed when they talk.

h8tdigitalradio · #9 (**permalink**) 10-31-2009, 06:02 PM

Hello,

Regardless of Display Mode, the Voice Channel Frequencies from Trunked Radio Systems are not displayed on the BCD996XT, just TGs and the Control Channel(s). If a Frequency is displayed, it means it was programmed Conventional. Check the programming on the scanner and see if there is a Conventional System programmed with the frequency you described. (Close Call Hits, etc)

73

Dave AKA The Tripzter

GoNavy · #10 (**permalink**) 10-31-2009, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by h8tdigitalradio

Hello,

Regardless of Display Mode, the Voice Channel Frequencies from Trunked Radio Systems are not displayed on the BCD996XT, just TGs and the Control Channel(s). If a Frequency is displayed, it means it was programmed Conventional. Check the programming on the scanner and see if there is a Conventional System programmed with the frequency you described. (Close Call Hits, etc)

73

Dave AKA The Tripzter

No not talking about when I hear some one, it does like you say TGID display. I am talking about when it is scanning the third line of the display will display a freq, one of the ones listed above, then NFM and then another freq, that is not even listed or a control freq, it just sorta makes one up, I guess it is part of the reband which is ok, but the NFM display not sure where it is coming from.....it works ok, just annoying to see that NFM instead of a freq while scanning.

h8tdigitalradio · #11 (**permalink**) 10-31-2009, 09:15 PM

Hello,

There seems to be a conflict in the RRDB. The Jacksonville Public Safety System is listed as MOT Type II but its actually a Project 25 System. Did you program this system as P25? Also, P25 Systems default to NFM MODE. No change is possible. P25 Systems don't require a Band Plan. The TGs for the System are P25. Check the Uniden TWiki for more info.

73

Dave AKA The Tripzter

GoNavy · #12 (**permalink**) 10-31-2009, 09:27 PM

Well as I understand it they are in the process of switching so I assumed that they are using both, I listed both trunk system earlier in this thread. The type II and the mot custom/reband both systems use the same freq, but different control freq. Is this what you are talking about, remember I am a newbie keep it simple...lol

h8tdigitalradio · #13 (**permalink**) 10-31-2009, 09:39 PM

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Hello,

Program Jacksonville Public Safety as P25. Input 851.4125 MHz as the Control Channel. Set to "ID Search". See if this eliminates or helps with the problem you are having.

73

Dave AKA The Tripzter

GoNavy · #14 (**permalink**) 10-31-2009, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by h8tdigitalradio

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Hello,

Program Jacksonville Public Safety as P25. Input 851.4125 MHz as the Control Channel. Set to "ID Search". See if this eliminates or helps with the problem you are having.

73

Dave AKA The Tripzter

OK done but I don't think they are using the digital stuff yet, don't hear anything. All the traffic is still coming from the reband city of Jacksonville system which uses the same TGID and freq. but I did notice now the NFM is coming from that system not the Jacksonville Public Safety system. Just to be clear I set the system to P25 Standard (Digital XT) and left just the one freq 851.4250 in the freq section. Is that correct, guess when they do switch I'll be ready...lol

h8tdigitalradio · #15 (**permalink**) 10-31-2009, 10:33 PM

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Hello,

Yes you will be ready when the Jacksonville Public Safety System switches from MOT Type II to P25.

73

Dave AKA The Tripzter

GoNavy · #16 (**permalink**) 10-31-2009, 10:36 PM

OK here is the update, I just deleted the Jacksonville Public Safety since it was Type II, then digital didn't work with either, came to the conclusion it was old. So now I am just using the city of Jacksonville system, which had the same TGID's and freq and was already setup as a type II/P25 system and seemed to worked. Which fixed the problem, I don't get the NFM thing anymore, thinking the two systems were not getting along because of the same TGID and freqs. So do I need to submit this info to the RR database people or just ignore it.

werinshades · #17 (**permalink**) 10-31-2009, 11:57 PM

If you're getting NFM on the third line of a display during Trunking ID Search or ID Scan Mode, the scanner is loosing the control channel for a time, then it seems to be picking up another control channel.

GoNavy · #18 (**permalink**) 11-01-2009, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by werinshades

If you're getting NFM on the third line of a display during Trunking ID Search or ID Scan Mode, the scanner is loosing the control channel for a time, then it seems to be picking up another control channel.

Ya since I dropped the that system and started using just the one, City of Jacksonville, every thing is working ok. I think it was getting confused because of the two systems using the same TGID's and freq's I said the Jacksonville Public Service was old, but actually looking at it I think it is going to be the new setup, don't know why it downloads as a type II instead of P25 digital which they are going too, just not completely switched yet. Will start using it when they complete the switch to digital.

feenjo · #19 (**permalink**) 11-01-2009, 11:41 AM

GoNavy, your 996XT is operating properly.
1. The reason that it may display NFM when scanning is that the control channel frequencies are out of range and the system will not pick up anything. When any of the control channels are back in range, the strongest frequency is displayed while scanning instead of NFM. This is normal for the scanner.
2. Motorola systems have been set to Control Channel Only in the 996XT by Uniden. This was done because all Motorola systems only need to use the control channels to scan. In previous Uniden scanner models, you would have had to program in all system channels. With the XT models, you only need to input the control channels, and that's it. You will always see the control frequencies when scanning, as long as they are in range. When the scanner stops on a TGID and you see a different frequency, the control channel sends the scanner information that there are other frequencies in the system for voice transmission. This is normal for the scanner as well.
Hope this explains things a little more for you.