Some What flakey Setting on HP-1

[bear780ks]

On my Hp-1 i have been noticing at times on this one particular setting that what you want it to be set on doesn't always work when you want it too) case in point the Unit ID tags i can turn them on when monitoring our local P25 and the scanner will show them as it should sometimes

But if i do a Database update or say like scan another area the ID tag's that should show up goes away even if it's turned on and i can even set it to Mode 2 or turn it back to mode 1 and it still comes up with nothing! It's nice to have this feature on or at least work when i turn it on.

So what i'm asking has any one other than i had issues with this setting and if so what fixed it... thanks a bunch b780

[W8RMH]

The ID number is transmitted at the beginning of a transmission. The scanner's timing has to be exact.

The scanner needs to stop on that channel "just prior to" or "at the time of" the ID data transmission to read the ID data.

If the scanner stops on a channel "after the conversation has already started" the ID will not display.

If the scanner stops on a channel "after the ID was transmitted" the ID will not display.

[bear780ks]

So to get it to show the ID's again do i shut the scanner down which i have tried or something Else..

[W8RMH]

Originally Posted by bear780ks

So to get it to show the ID's again do i shut the scanner down which i have tried or something Else..

There is nothing you can do.

[phask]

Originally Posted by W8RMH

There is nothing you can do.

Do you even have a HP-1??


Actually there is.

Menu - display options - unit id display (toggle on/off)

Then select mode 1 or mode 2.

[lep]

When you do the db update and then Write to HP-1 donot overwrite the Favorite Lists and it will keep your UID tags. You have the choice of overwiting the PC or not then the scanner and the Sentinel do not agree.

[bear780ks]

No "phask" i just come on here with no direction and ask stuff as i go.! And my scanner is the thing that sets next to my computer and makes Noises

But if your inclined to look at these pictures below that i included you can see what i asked on my original post. And no i didn't pick these picture out of thin air.!

[KD8HE]

Originally Posted by W8RMH

The ID number is transmitted at the beginning of a transmission. The scanner's timing has to be exact.

The scanner needs to stop on that channel "just prior to" or "at the time of" the ID data transmission to read the ID data.

If the scanner stops on a channel "after the conversation has already started" the ID will not display.

If the scanner stops on a channel "after the ID was transmitted" the ID will not display.

W8RMH has the correct answer...scan stop time determines whether Unit ID is displayed.
Harry

[RBMTS]

Phask was commenting the post from W8RMH (as you can see from the quote in his response). He was just trying to help you. No need to be so defensive or condescending when people are trying to help you.

[phask]

Originally Posted by KD8HE

W8RMH has the correct answer...scan stop time determines whether Unit ID is displayed.
Harry

I'm not convinced with that on a digital system. Reason - I can see it stopped on a freq., resume scanning and then stop on another that is in mid-conversation. After a brief period the UID will display. Really not sure how it works, but I've been watching for the better part of an hour and have nor seen one that did not UID. I'm thinking with digital the data is always xmitting this.

Now on a conventional that is how it works.

Now - fwiw , I do not even care as I don't use UID. I change favorites often enough that I loose it anyway.


Question - if one modifies UID in a favorite, writes back to Sentinel are they saved for future writes back to the HP?

[bear780ks]

Well i was halfway asleep Randy when i read the "response" excuse the over reaction on my part i'm still trying to figure the in's and on this scanner even though i have had it for a While and i'm also still trying to figuring the in's and out of this forum posting and all that good stuff that goes with it.. i'v learned allot but i still have a little ways to go.

But on the what i was trying to say or Explain is that i have pressed that settings button and the ID's just shows up then and then if i shut it off or if i set a new area to scan say like the Mcpherson city / county EDACS the scanner may or may not show up ID's at that time) and i am doing what the instructions say that needs to be done.

So i'm going to Scratch my head on this one for a bit re-group.! and try it again.. b780

[phask]

It seems as this was a "bug" that was addressed by one of the updates.

Is yours running 2.04.01 firmware? Mine retains UID when turned off then back on (just verified it).

Maybe someone can chime in .

[UPMan]

When you rewrite to the HP-1 from Sentinel, it is going to write the options based on the current Profile. I suspect you don't have the option turned on in your current profile. One easy solution is to do a "Read from HomePatrol" after you get it set up the way you want. This will set all the settings in Sentinel to match the HP-1's current settings, and it won't turn off after every write, again.

[bear780ks]

Yup it's running it phask the 2.04 mine when i bought had the 2.03 and i'm on the 1/27/2013 Data base version the help version is still at 12/07/2011


sorry for being a old poop earlier phask. it's slightly past my bed time and i'm ready b780

[spooney]

While we're on the subject of displaying UID's, what about when you turn on the "alert" option for a UID. That too is hit and miss. To me it seems as though during the set delay of the TGID if the UID I have the alert set for keys up several times it still only beeps maybe once, so it seems the delay has something to do with it. I would think it should be tied to the squelch and beep every time that UID keys up during a TGID delay period,but that is not how it is working.

[bear780ks]

Phask after i took a much needed Nap and let my Hp-1 fully charge i then shut it off and left that setting turned on.

I then pulled the adapter plug that i charge the scanner with i then waited a minute a or two then i re-powered it.. when it fully loaded up and started scanning again it showed the Unit ID's again..

here's a screen shot with the Unit ID's ..

[Jay911]

The post about IDs only being transmitted at the beginning of a transmission is not exactly true. That's the case with Motorola Type II systems, because the ID is transmitted only by the control channel data. On a P25 system (or even a P25 voice call on a Motorola Type II system), the ID is transmitted in the digital voice packet as well, so you will see the ID show up in that case even if your radio joins the conversation late.

As for why ID display is being turned off when you reprogram your scanner, the first thing I'd check is whether or not ID display is configured in the profile in your Sentinel configuration (as UPMan explained). If you're not reading IN from the HP1 before you make changes in Sentinel, then things in the scanner you've changed since you last wrote to it from Sentinel won't be there when you write back out to the scanner.

[bear780ks]

Well as i mentioned jay i'm still learning the in's and outs of the scanner mostly i just wanted it to scan and pic up our local stuff which it does ok at times.

At others times though especially on P25 Jay it seems like it wants to break up a bit on the audio i guess that is a P25 thing i have also seen it were It wants to stop on a particular channel say PD but it just hits it briefly no audio and keeps scanning.

Something else i'v been noticing lately is that when i have the scanner locked on a channel and a unit calls dispatch you might here the unit but you may or may not here dispatch and sometimes it's vice versa. What is causing that Jay..

[bear780ks]

Jay something else i wanted to ask when i was looking at the Online manual i found this: On updating each week for the new Data Base Version it says this:


To update the HomePatrol‐1’s database, connect it to your PC using the supplied USB cable. If you have upgraded to the extreme features, then select “Mass Storage”. Then, in Sentinel select UPDATE --> Update Master HPDB. Finally, write the new database to your HomePatrol‐1 by selecting HomePatrol --> Write to Homepatrol



But i have not Upgraded My HP-1 with the Extream Features but when i asked a Rep at Uniden what i need to do to keep the Scanner updated he told me to click on the HPDB and down load it & then write it to the Scanner is that correct.! or can it mess things up because of not having those features enabled thanks b

[phask]

Originally Posted by Jay911

The post about IDs only being transmitted at the beginning of a transmission is not exactly true. That's the case with Motorola Type II systems, because the ID is transmitted only by the control channel data. On a P25 system (or even a P25 voice call on a Motorola Type II system), the ID is transmitted in the digital voice packet as well, so you will see the ID show up in that case even if your radio joins the conversation late.

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Thanks - just what I thought - main system here is p25. I was reading the specs. and thought that was what I was seeing.

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