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Old 06-08-2018, 3:40 PM
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Can someone please check to see if Sentinel shows PA/Dauphin/County and see if the Dauphin County Prison DMR shows on the list. For some reason it does not appear for me to select to add to my faves

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It does not.

It's likely because it has no known talkgroups. That's normal.

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It does not. It may be because it's not listed under any subcatagory?

I've added it to a subcatagory at the top, when the database gets refreshed monday, check back and see if it's there.
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In a different, lengthy thread, Uniden has said that they won't "fix" this --- i.e., by making the default be to Search for IDs instead of Scanning for only existing ones --- because they think most users want to ignore unidentified TGs. Specifically, they've said that a system with no IDed TGs is not a "scannable" system. While I think that's ridiculous, a [if irritating] solution is to program the system manually once, monitor it long enough to grab 1 TG, and submit that TG to RR. Voila, it will be in Sentinel the following week.
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It does not.

It's likely because it has no known talkgroups. That's normal.
Did you add it as corrections?
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That mischaracterizes what I said. The main dB has no provision for ID Search. We only put things in the main dB that are scannable. Otherwise, the scanner would waste a bunch of time scanning systems that have nothing to actually scan and generate an entirely other set of complaints. I'm going to stick with the complaints I have.
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Old 06-08-2018, 6:35 PM
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Good call.
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That mischaracterizes what I said. The main dB has no provision for ID Search. We only put things in the main dB that are scannable. Otherwise, the scanner would waste a bunch of time scanning systems that have nothing to actually scan and generate an entirely other set of complaints. I'm going to stick with the complaints I have.
I don't think I did, but Uniden and I [and lots of others] will just have to agree to disagree about whether it's best for users to give or deny them a setting in Sentinel as to how to treat systems in RR with as yet no IDed TGs: (A) Pretend like they don't exist [the current behavior], or (B) Import them into Sentinel with the system's search type set to "Search" and thus still getting to hear all of the traffic but having to put up with "TG: 12345" [for lots of us, the desired behavior to save us from having to manually enter the system, then miss updates once somebody does ID a TG].

If the problem is in the fact that only systems in the Main DB show in Sentinel's system picker but we don't want "non-scannable" systems in the Main DB lest a non-power user scanning the Main DB has the problem you described, then Sentinel could show all systems in the picker for manual inclusion in an FL, including "non-scannable" ones as Uniden defines that term, but only send "scannable" ones to the radio's Main DB. It seems like such a setting could let everybody get what they want.

Putting this in perspective, yes, it's a pretty minor nit. If I was going to spent time changing Sentinel, I'd much rather have it keep Systems/Sites/Depts/Channels in its copy of the FLs linked to their original RR source data in a way that could detect deletions, let us change long names without getting confused and re-adding them back the next Append to FL, etc.

[Thanks for reading these forums; I suspect that that kind of attention to customer feedback is a huge reason why many of us are customers.]

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Dauphin County Prison did not appear in the DB update I did in Sentinel. It did appear in ARC536
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Dauphin County Prison did not appear in the DB update I did in Sentinel. It did appear in ARC536

See post #2 - same answer.
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See post #2 - same answer.
So I would have to use ARC as well so I could add a system with no TG listed just so I can try to identify if TG do exist...that is a PITA.
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So I would have to use ARC as well so I could add a system with no TG listed just so I can try to identify if TG do exist...that is a PITA.

Not really - you can manually use Sentinel to enter a system, you can use Discovery, or use ARC since you already have it.
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Trunked systems with a single identified TG also don't show up in Sentinel - at least I've noticed cases where they don't.
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So I was able to get the system on the sds via ARC. There are no TGs on the system yet (only one site). Even if I turn on ID search for the system, I can not use the QK to activate scanning. For example, all of my other QK work great (FQK. SQK) activates/deactivates everything else just fine. The system with no TGs just gives me error beeps when I try to use the QK (in this case 0.12E

Another issue caused by same as above?

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So I was able to get the system on the sds via ARC. There are no TGs on the system yet (only one site). Even if I turn on ID search for the system, I can not use the QK to activate scanning. For example, all of my other QK work great (FQK. SQK) activates/deactivates everything else just fine. The system with no TGs just gives me error beeps when I try to use the QK (in this case 0.12E

Another issue caused by same as above?

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Not sure - but just enter a dummy talkgroup.
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Not sure - but just enter a dummy talkgroup.
Still no good. Still get an error when I try to activate the system. It appears in the FL and I can make edits to it on the device, but still the same error. I would just like to be able to try to listen to find the TG on the system. Seems like I can only do that on a Whistler.
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Still get an error when I try to activate the system.

What error?
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What error?
When I enter 0.12 and press E, I get three beeps. It will not activate that system.
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I tried adding 1, then the second channel, to no avail.

BTW - this is for the SDS-100 since when I opened the topic it wasn't listed yet as a device.
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That mischaracterizes what I said. The main dB has no provision for ID Search. We only put things in the main dB that are scannable. Otherwise, the scanner would waste a bunch of time scanning systems that have nothing to actually scan and generate an entirely other set of complaints. I'm going to stick with the complaints I have.
I think ID SEARCH would be better to have when you input the zipcode than ID SCAN. This allows you to find out all active talkgroups before creating a new favorite's list in Sentinel..
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