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According to that LCN Finder logs, There are logs for 4 sites (Site ID: 1, 3, 4, 5).

Site 1:
It never detects RAS.
Is the signal quality enough?

Site 3:
There are 3 LCNs (LCN: 9, 10, 15).

Site 4:
There is 1 LCN (LCN: 13).

Site 5:
There is 1 LCN (LCN: 11).

Are these LCNs of each site that DSD shows the same as or close to the above?

I'm not sure whether DSD uses LCN or LSN for Tier 3 systems.

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all site logs made with very good signal.


DSD use LSN for channel number. LCN finder gave false LCN number. every time I run LCN finder i have a different result.


DSD follow TIII perfectly but the x36 receive 30-40% of all the conversation.
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all site logs made with very good signal.


DSD use LSN for channel number. LCN finder gave false LCN number. every time I run LCN finder i have a different result.


DSD follow TIII perfectly but the x36 receive 30-40% of all the conversation.
1. Have you ever been able to detect RAS and LCNs for Site 1?

2. Is the number of LCNs for each site correct per previously post? (Site 3: 3 LCNs, Site 4: 1 LCN, Site 5: 1 LCN)

3. Also are those LCN number correct? (Site 3: 9, 10, 15, Site 4: 13, Site 5: 11)

4. > LCN finder gave false LCN number.
Which site does the scanner find incorrect LCNs? All sites?

5. > every time I run LCN finder i have a different result.
Are voice transmissions of the sites of false LCNs a multi channel and busy?
If so, there is a possibility of making a mistake.

6. > DSD use LSN for channel number. DSD follow TIII perfectly but the x36 receive 30-40% of all the conversation.

Have you correctly converted LSN of DSD to LCN when LCNs were programmed to x36?
When LCNs are wrong, the scanner can not properly track a system.
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1. Have you ever been able to detect RAS and LCNs for Site 1? Yes but with incorrect LCN

2. Is the number of LCNs for each site correct per previously post? (Site 3: 3 LCNs, Site 4: 1 LCN, Site 5: 1 LCN) Site 1: 4 LCN, Site 2: 3 LCN, Site 3: 4 LCN, Site 4: 2 LCN and site 5: 2 LCN

3. Also are those LCN number correct? (Site 3: 9, 10, 15, Site 4: 13, Site 5: 11) Site 1: LCN 1,3,4,6 Site 2: 2,5,7 site 3: 8,9,10,15 Site 4: 12,13 Site5: 11,14 (found with LCN Finders but after many many runs)

4. > LCN finder gave false LCN number.
Which site does the scanner find incorrect LCNs? All sites? yes all sites. Ex: site 1 first run LCN founds 15,3,9,6, second run found 9,3,4,15 so I concluded that the LCN 3 will be good. I found LCN by Deduction.

5. > every time I run LCN finder i have a different result.
Are voice transmissions of the sites of false LCNs a multi channel and busy? the systems is very busy with FD (in clear) TP (in clear). The conversation changes to the next frequency with each new transmission. And DSD follow well but the x36 remain silent.

If so, there is a possibility of making a mistake.

6. > DSD use LSN for channel number. DSD follow TIII perfectly but the x36 receive 30-40% of all the conversation.

Have you correctly converted LSN of DSD to LCN when LCNs were programmed to x36? yes I have converted LSN to LCN to program x36
When LCNs are wrong, the scanner can not properly track a system.
but now I have all the good LCN but the x36 didn't follow conversation well. I received 1 or 2 conversation out of 10 DSD received.




1 more thing I discover: the BCD325P2 didn't receive nothing for T3, remain completely silent.


If you need more logs just let me know.


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1. Have you ever been able to detect RAS and LCNs for Site 1? Yes but with incorrect LCN

2. Is the number of LCNs for each site correct per previously post? (Site 3: 3 LCNs, Site 4: 1 LCN, Site 5: 1 LCN) Site 1: 4 LCN, Site 2: 3 LCN, Site 3: 4 LCN, Site 4: 2 LCN and site 5: 2 LCN

3. Also are those LCN number correct? (Site 3: 9, 10, 15, Site 4: 13, Site 5: 11) Site 1: LCN 1,3,4,6 Site 2: 2,5,7 site 3: 8,9,10,15 Site 4: 12,13 Site5: 11,14 (found with LCN Finders but after many many runs)

4. > LCN finder gave false LCN number.
Which site does the scanner find incorrect LCNs? All sites? yes all sites. Ex: site 1 first run LCN founds 15,3,9,6, second run found 9,3,4,15 so I concluded that the LCN 3 will be good. I found LCN by Deduction.

5. > every time I run LCN finder i have a different result.
Are voice transmissions of the sites of false LCNs a multi channel and busy? the systems is very busy with FD (in clear) TP (in clear). The conversation changes to the next frequency with each new transmission. And DSD follow well but the x36 remain silent.

If so, there is a possibility of making a mistake.

6. > DSD use LSN for channel number. DSD follow TIII perfectly but the x36 receive 30-40% of all the conversation.

Have you correctly converted LSN of DSD to LCN when LCNs were programmed to x36? yes I have converted LSN to LCN to program x36
When LCNs are wrong, the scanner can not properly track a system.
but now I have all the good LCN but the x36 didn't follow conversation well. I received 1 or 2 conversation out of 10 DSD received.




1 more thing I discover: the BCD325P2 didn't receive nothing for T3, remain completely silent.
2 and 3:
There was no Site 2 activity.
The LCN Finder logs on Site 3 to 5 seems to be looking for the remaining LCNs.
In order to determine LCN, the LCN needs to be used to several times.
If there are unused LCNs, LCN Finder will never finish except for a manual stop.

4. This is strange.
LCNs which Site 1 originally does not have are included.
LCN 9 and 15 are LCNs of Site 3.

Are all programmed frequencies and color code correct?
Do you happen to have a SDS100.
SDS100 logs can get more detailed information.
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2 and 3:
There was no Site 2 activity. Not in the log I sent you, but I can send you one if you need
The LCN Finder logs on Site 3 to 5 seems to be looking for the remaining LCNs.
In order to determine LCN, the LCN needs to be used to several times.
If there are unused LCNs, LCN Finder will never finish except for a manual stop. All LCN in the systems is used many many times. but as I have already said in another post, often LCN finder stops after finding 1 or 2 lcn and never finishes in full.

4. This is strange.
LCNs which Site 1 originally does not have are included.
LCN 9 and 15 are LCNs of Site 3. I know and sometime LCN for site 3 can be in LCN finder site 4. All was mess.

Are all programmed frequencies and color code correct? Yes all correct
Do you happen to have a SDS100.
SDS100 logs can get more detailed information. no Unfortunately, but If you send me one, I could send you all the logs you need
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Can you post your HPE file for this? Also, if there is a link to the system in RRDB, please advise.
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system not in database yet.


HPE file send to your email.
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Am I understanding correctly that you put all freqs from all sites into one site then tried LCN finder on that? That won't work. Each site must be its own site. If frequencies from multiple sites are all checked for LCN finder you'll get bad results and will likely never complete an LCN finder check.
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Am I understanding correctly that you put all freqs from all sites into one site then tried LCN finder on that? That won't work. Each site must be its own site. If frequencies from multiple sites are all checked for LCN finder you'll get bad results and will likely never complete an LCN finder check.
No in the beginning I put all frequencies in its own site but that didn't work. In the last effort I put all frequencies in 1 sites to test but I know it will not work.

Another test I've done: with the good LCN program in each site, I run a LCN finder and the result was all messed up, My good LCN programming was changed with bad LCN.
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Not saying something isn't wrong, but I just ran LCN finder on a local CapMax system and it seemed to work fine.

I also ran System Status to be sure the number of frequencies it indicated match what I "think" the system should have and it did.
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Not saying something isn't wrong, but I just ran LCN finder on a local CapMax system and it seemed to work fine.

I also ran System Status to be sure the number of frequencies it indicated match what I "think" the system should have and it did.
does your system use RAS?
how much sites in the system?
How many frequencies per site?

Two of my friends have also problems with LCN Finder with this CAPMAX systems.

and as I already said the BCD325P2 is deaf on this system.
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does your system use RAS?
how much sites in the system?
How many frequencies per site?

Two of my friends have also problems with LCN Finder with this CAPMAX systems.

and as I already said the BCD325P2 is deaf on this system.
Yes on RAS.
Two sites, but that shouldn't matter as you can only run LCN finder on one site at a time.
One site is 5 frequencies, the other is 3.
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Also noted from the hpe that LCN Finder site is not avoided. Before scanning that FL, LCN Finder site should be deleted or avoided, otherwise it will cause scanning issues.

Overall, the frequency --> site mapping is still somewhat suspect. How did you determine which frequencies belonged to each site?
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Also noted from the hpe that LCN Finder site is not avoided. Before scanning that FL, LCN Finder site should be deleted or avoided, otherwise it will cause scanning issues.

Overall, the frequency --> site mapping is still somewhat suspect. How did you determine which frequencies belonged to each site?
The LCN Finder site is avoid in the scanner but not in the programming.

to find the correct LCN with DSD, I put DSD on the CC and scan the system band range(410-415) with my others scanners (996XT). and when I see a TG appear in DSD Window I look what scanner receives the signal and note the frequency.I then program this frequency in DSD frequencies file and if FMP24 follow the conversation well it is that the frequency is good.

with all the frequencies that are in the HPE file, DSD follows conversations well on all the sites. DSD never missed a conversation, but the X36 remains deaf 70% of the time.
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> to find the correct LCN with DSD, I put DSD on the CC and scan the system band range(410-415) with my others scanners (996XT). and when I see a TG appear in DSD Window I look what scanner receives the signal and note the frequency.
Could you do the same thing as 996XT with x36?
I would like to know whether x36 will lock on correct frequencies of voice channels.

In addition, regarding ID scan/search, please set modulation to FM and try again.
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Could you do the same thing as 996XT with x36?
I would like to know whether x36 will lock on correct frequencies of voice channels.

In addition, regarding ID scan/search, please set modulation to FM and try again.
I will do the same thing with my 2 436 and 1 536 and let you know the result.

I will try FM as modulation and report back.
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test result this weekend:

DSD+ park on CC of site 3, 436 and 536 scan between 410-415. When TG appear on DSD, the x36 stop on the frequency and I can hear voice but not all the time. Sometimes the x36 stop on a frequency but no audio (on DSD I heard audio on the same TG display on x36).

Sometime the x36 display the wrong infos for a frequency Ex: x36 stop on 412.8125 and display Site 2 but this frequency belong to site 3 (DSD always show site 3 for this frequency) but the x36 alterne between site 2 or site 3.

test with FM modulation show no amelioration.
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There seems to be an issue with scanning some of the frequencies on that system rather than a issue of scanning for CAP MAX.


> Sometimes the x36 stop on a frequency but no audio (on DSD I heard audio on the same TG display on x36).

Is that frequency correct?
Is other displayed information correct (System, Site, TG, Unit IDs) ?
Could you get a log of just just that situation?

> Sometime the x36 display the wrong infos for a frequency Ex: x36 stop on 412.8125 and display Site 2 but this frequency belong to site 3 (DSD always show site 3 for this frequency) but the x36 alterne between site 2 or site 3.

According to your hpe file, 412.8125 MHz is a Site 1 frequency.
What is correct?
Is other displayed information correct (System, TG, Unit IDs) ?
Could you get a log of just that situation?
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> Sometimes the x36 stop on a frequency but no audio (on DSD I heard audio on the same TG display on x36).

Is that frequency correct? yes same frequency as DSD
Is other displayed information correct (System, Site, TG, Unit IDs) ? not always, sometime site altern between 1 or 3 (see log file) but TG and UID never appear on display
Could you get a log of just just that situation? logs sent by email

> Sometime the x36 display the wrong infos for a frequency Ex: x36 stop on 412.8125 and display Site 2 but this frequency belong to site 3 (DSD always show site 3 for this frequency) but the x36 alterne between site 2 or site 3.

According to your hpe file, 412.8125 MHz is a Site 1 frequency.
What is correct? Site 1 is correct, and DSD show site 1) its because x36 altern between site 1 and 3 (first log file) my typing error in the last post.
Is other displayed information correct (System, TG, Unit IDs) ? system yes, but no TG and UID display
Could you get a log of just that situation? logs sent by email.

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Regarding log1381548.txt, I found one fact.

This is a log of the voice channels.
There are voice packets of site IDs 1, 3 and 4.
And these packets have the same TGID 114.
Also, packets on site IDs 1 and 3 have the same unit ID 64250.

It is not clear what the scan frequencies are in log1381548.txt.

Were you scanning the frequencies for all sites?
Or are all frequencies in one site?

Post the HPE (export FL).
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