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Old 11-18-2013, 5:58 PM
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Actually, now what I would use (well once the app is ready) is the BCD536HP in the trunk with the GPS connected (all ugly wiring hidden in the trunk) with either my HTC One or Google Nexus 7 up next to the driver for monitoring.
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Old 11-18-2013, 10:36 PM
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For months I have viewed the numerous intense written exchanges amid those that were accused of divulging cloak-and-dagger information about the latest ground-breaking Uniden public-safety scanner. Every post was cloaked with such confidentiality I was continuously on the threshold of excitement. Not once did I initiate a comment for fear of being barred from Radio-Reference for life.

But now that top-secret Uniden radio has been unveiled to the public. I genuinely believed that with the shroud of mystery that safeguarded this new radio to the public, it would be capable of receiving the Florida Highway Patrol along with Florida Fish & Wildlife SLERS systems.

Oh well, time to slip back into my hole and continue to linger until that day appears. I remember reading on RR that no radio scanner can ever be developed that receives a SLERS system. Being a retired cop, we were told in the late 70ís that no type of electronic component can be manufactured to warn the public of police radar!! If not mistaken, the manufacturer of the radar gun was instrumental in developing the first radar detector. Nothing is impossible.
Why do people hope and pray for a scanner to decrypt an encrypted TGID
I'm just going to have to repeat what has been repeated for years: It is against the law to do so
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Old 11-18-2013, 10:42 PM
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I'm not disappointed over no new Home Patrol. I'm disappointed in no ground breaking digital modes. I have found another new product that I am now waiting on that decodes D-Star, Nexedge, P25 Phase I and more. Only thing it is missing is Moto Trbo. ARD300 | OTHER PRODUCTS | AOR,LTD. Authority On Radio Communications
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Old 11-18-2013, 11:20 PM
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Perhaps not rushing out to buy anymore of these scanners and wait for CHP to go 700 statewide then maybe by then there will be more scanners available.
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Old 11-18-2013, 11:24 PM
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Gee, before they come out with a new Home Patrol I would like them to get the current version fixed so that it properly receives P25 transmissions. Fix this, then move on.
I wasn't aware there were problems with the HP unit. Just another reason to wait and see what comes out next as different scanners, versions and firmware become available? This is getting into computer stuff. In fact with these new scanners you need a computer to program so it has got to be more complicated.
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Old 11-18-2013, 11:26 PM
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"(probably the king of radar detectors)" Not by a long shot. In the radar detector community they are a non-entity, cheap non-working, junk, and that puts it mildly.

Escort and Valentine are the only ones worth anything - IMHO
Yes at least with Valentine One they will do firmware upgrade if needed so there is no need to throw out obsolete detector like these scanners have become.
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Old 11-19-2013, 5:08 PM
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Gee, before they come out with a new Home Patrol I would like them to get the current version fixed so that it properly receives P25 transmissions. Fix this, then move on.
According to the spec. sheet I am reading the Home Patrol is already suppose to receive APCO 25 digital trunking systems.
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Old 11-19-2013, 6:51 PM
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I guess it depends on what your definition of "receive" is when it comes to P25. Oh yeah, it says the HP1 can receive P25 and it mostly does with the exception of the Cincinnati/Hamilton County system. With the latest firmware upgrade I could not receive ANY transmissions. I rolled back to the previous firmware version (2.03) and I can again pick up about 60% of any single transmission. Broken audio most of the time.

Now the GRE/RS scanners I have are 99% using the same antenna and the same location of the scanner. So it is not the hills or anything else except the design of the scanner. Had the same issue with the 996 which I gave to my nephew and went with the GRE/RS units since they just work better.

In theory, the HP1 receive P25. In practice, it's a crap shoot.
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Old 11-19-2013, 7:11 PM
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According to the spec. sheet I am reading the Home Patrol is already suppose to receive APCO 25 digital trunking systems.
Technically, yes it does, but people from across the US have varying degrees of success with it's reception of these systems.
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Old 11-20-2013, 1:34 AM
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Technically, yes it does, but people from across the US have varying degrees of success with it's reception of these systems.
I have alot more to learn with these newer type systems and scanners that you need a computer to program them with firmware that comes out.
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Old 11-20-2013, 1:36 AM
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I guess it depends on what your definition of "receive" is when it comes to P25. Oh yeah, it says the HP1 can receive P25 and it mostly does with the exception of the Cincinnati/Hamilton County system. With the latest firmware upgrade I could not receive ANY transmissions. I rolled back to the previous firmware version (2.03) and I can again pick up about 60% of any single transmission. Broken audio most of the time.

Now the GRE/RS scanners I have are 99% using the same antenna and the same location of the scanner. So it is not the hills or anything else except the design of the scanner. Had the same issue with the 996 which I gave to my nephew and went with the GRE/RS units since they just work better.

In theory, the HP1 receive P25. In practice, it's a crap shoot.
So you get much better performance with the Radio Shack and GRE scanners than the Uniden scanners in regards to the phase 1 and phase 2 systems of APCO 25?
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Old 11-21-2013, 8:30 AM
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Why do people hope and pray for a scanner to decrypt an encrypted TGID
I'm just going to have to repeat what has been repeated for years: It is against the law to do so
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NOT all MOTOTRBO is encrypted. Most of these town's buying this crap only have the first level of protection (NOT encryption) on the radios and it is NOT illegal to listen to. Even if a scanner has a way to do MOTOTRBO if a channel is encrypted you will never have a chance of listing to it, you would have to have the same type of RADIO then you can hear what you like which IS illegal.
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So you get much better performance with the Radio Shack and GRE scanners than the Uniden scanners in regards to the phase 1 and phase 2 systems of APCO 25?
In my area, the Uniden's run circles around the GRE's. It's due to front end overload or poor filtering.
If I try and attenuate, then I cannot hear the distant stations I like to monitor.
In rural areas away from high RF environments, the GRE's work well.
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Old 11-21-2013, 11:43 AM
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NOT all MOTOTRBO is encrypted. Most of these town's buying this crap only have the first level of protection (NOT encryption) on the radios and it is NOT illegal to listen to. Even if a scanner has a way to do MOTOTRBO if a channel is encrypted you will never have a chance of listing to it, you would have to have the same type of RADIO then you can hear what you like which IS illegal.
My comment was in regard to someone asking if they will ever make a scanner to un-encrypt an encrypted signal. Not TRBO or NXDN. In my area, the TRBO and NXDN systems have gone encrypted.
Yes, you can listen to unencrypted TRBO and NXDN via software, or compatible radios programmed with the proper info.
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Wouldn't it be great if you can just get the GPS info from the phone? Especially if you plan on using a phone for an interface while mobile?



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While Uniden's new base/mobile and portable scanners offer some exciting new features, I was sad to see no mention of an updated HOME PATROL unit. The HP-1 is a unique scanner with an ingenious design and form factor. Although the new BCD536HP base/mobile unit can be used wirelessly with a tablet or smart phone, I would have loved to have seen a new HP with new features and built-in GPS. I will most likely get the new BCD536HP once it becomes available and we get some initial reviews, and I love some of the newer features, but the HP-1 is so cleverly designed and functional that I will miss moving up in that direction.
These ARE new Home Patrols. Uniden just had to repackage it to satisfy all the old school Home Patrol haters. Hard to say if we'll ever see another true touchscreen, but with the new wifi feature and Siren app for smart phones and tablets, I believe this is it...which UPMan sort of alludes to above.

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Old 11-22-2013, 10:56 AM
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So you get much better performance with the Radio Shack and GRE scanners than the Uniden scanners in regards to the phase 1 and phase 2 systems of APCO 25?
We do not have any Phase 2 systems here, but with the GRE/RS models, the P25 decodes are very good and I hardly ever get broken audio. On the 996 and the HP1, the audio is broken on most of the transmissions. For me, Uniden scanners have been useless for listening to the Hamilton County/Cincinnati system. I just miss too much of the transmissions to make it an enjoyable listening experience.
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Old 11-22-2013, 11:01 AM
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In my area, the Uniden's run circles around the GRE's. It's due to front end overload or poor filtering.
If I try and attenuate, then I cannot hear the distant stations I like to monitor.
In rural areas away from high RF environments, the GRE's work well.
I have lived in two houses now using Uniden/GRE/RS scanners. At the old house, I practically lived under one of the towers in the Hamilton County/Cincinnati multicast system. Never had overload of the GRE/RS scanners. With the Uniden 996 and HP1, I did not think the front-end was being overloaded either. Now that I moved four miles from the old house further away from the site, the HP1 (gave the 996 to nephew) does not perform any better.

So what I am saying it, I don't believe that front-end overload story. Heard it before, never experienced it with any of the models from any of the manufacturers. It just seem the Unidens have trouble with multi-cast systems like the one I am trying to listen to....well I do, but with the GRE/RS models.
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My Radio Shack Pro-18 works much better than my HP-1 ever did on P25 systems.
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Old 12-16-2013, 6:20 PM
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The HP-1 is an ideal form factor! If it can be improved it would be in size and speed. A thinner profile, more flush screen, more responsive touch response and various little nags.

One thing that has been really bothering me more is that every time the audio feedback for touch is played, all scan audio stops. Also unlocking a locked channel group or site will force a move away from an active frequency. That should be an option.


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